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Topic: Its soo Hot here
Posted By: Leonidas
Subject: Its soo Hot here
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2009 at 10:30
No serious its boiling down under, our southern neighbours have had it hard but its hitting Sydney. Here comes the bush fires. For all those cold snowed in Northerners, think of us poor souls and our struggling air conditioners.

it will be something like 43c by Sunday.

that red number is western NSW -the outback





our poor animals are struggling

sad


happier


race horse under industrial fan and water


water  where you can find it








heat stressed baby ringtail


from http://www.news.com.au/gallery/0,23607,5037244-5010140-1,00.html - www.news.com.au/gallery


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Posted By: Constantine XI
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2009 at 10:45
At least you aren't in Adelaide mate. Overnight lows of 33.9 celcius.

Last week in Melbourne we went five consecutive days of 40+ temperatures. At it's peak it was 44. And we are supposedly one of the milder cities to live in weather wise.

Again though, Adelaide has had practically two weeks of that, so they are worse off. I am so pleased I bought that air con at the beginning of January.


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Posted By: Spartakus
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2009 at 11:15
Poor animals.

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Posted By: Donasin
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2009 at 11:33
Awwwww.

While the -18 with windchill is not comfortable heat is much much worse.

All the animals look so hot it is incredibly sad.


Posted By: Reginmund
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2009 at 11:50
The birds look pleased enough. Tongue

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Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2009 at 14:54
Actually they do, though you normally dont see a lorikeet hanging out with a raven.

Parts of the railway buckled in Melbourne not long ago and its looks like its going to be 42c tomorrow, 44 on sunday and it was 41 today. Geez its hot now and its 1:50am, I can smell burnt eucalypts from a bush fire about 20min from here.

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Posted By: Parnell
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2009 at 15:25
You had to show the pictures of the poor animals. Now you make me feel like a dick for no real reason...

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Posted By: Dolphin
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2009 at 15:29
You can escape the cold, but you can't escape the heat, especially at night. Old people will be dropping like flies, wrinkled semi-cooked flies.

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Posted By: Al Jassas
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2009 at 15:32
This is just a taste of what we suffer here in Saudi Arabia for 6 monthLOL.
 
A couple of Feburaries ago (which is called winter here) we got 36 celcius and people were wearing coats.
 
Al-Jassas


Posted By: Ponce de Leon
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2009 at 15:33
At least the 40 yr olds will be the last to go =0


Posted By: Constantine XI
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2009 at 18:02
Originally posted by Dolphin

You can escape the cold, but you can't escape the heat, especially at night. Old people will be dropping like flies, wrinkled semi-cooked flies.


I mentioned Adelaide earlier, which is getting the worst of it. Normally their morgue has a capacity of 72, and it typically has 21 people in it at any one time.

It seems an interesting coincidence that after two weeks of averaging +40 temperatures, their morgue is now at 71 body count, and the state government has arranged for emergency facilities to cater to any new corpses. Forensic scientists are working overtime to perform autopsies, lest corpse storage facilites run out. They think the body count due to heat is at least 50 in Adelaide alone, with the elderly being the most at risk.

When I arrived in Melbourne 15 years ago, it was a temperate and almost always overcast city. Temperatures hovered in the late teens to early 20s, with plenty of cloud about. Today the summers have become extreme, with our worst week of hot weather since 1908 which happened last week. Tomorrow the temperature is 43. Rainfall in much of Australia is now in its 15th year of drought. When it gets to that stage, you stop thinking about unlucky weather and start thinking about climate change.


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Posted By: Northman
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2009 at 18:34

Yes poor animals and to think about the vast wildlife of AU too... poor creatures.

Yesterday I changed my signature - deleted the statement about global warming. If someone wants it - feel free to use it.
It was:  There is no need to talk about global warming - but every reason to act.
 


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Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2009 at 18:55
Poor critters and I am in for the same fate once summer begins in southern Arizona. Especially after the monsoons hit it will get very hot and humid but green. My brother told me you cannot hike below 6,000 feet in the summers.

Although he will be at home:
Gila Joe

Name: Gila-Monster-Hissing.jpg

Also him or her:
Mr sidewinder

Name: 2c6f04e3.jpg

Maybe Gila's cousin will join him for a brewskie



Name: MexicanBeadedLizard.jpg
Just don't let them hang around for a bite-

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Posted By: Omar al Hashim
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2009 at 23:15
Yes, but there is a cool change on Monday.

While the -18 with windchill is not comfortable heat is much much worse.

I don't know, I think cold is worse.
2-6 degree days with a cold wind and overcast conditions is much more unpleasant than 40.



I suggest an AE conference in Ivanhoe tomorrow LOL


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Posted By: edgewaters
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2009 at 23:24
Originally posted by Leonidas



It's pretty cold here right now, but we Canadians end up like that on a fairly regular basis throughout the year.



Posted By: edgewaters
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2009 at 23:31
Originally posted by Omar al Hashim

2-6 degree days with a cold wind and overcast conditions is much more unpleasant than 40.

No way! 2-6 degrees is quite nice. Refreshing. If you don't like it, you just put some warm clothes on and you're fine. If it's 40 degrees and you don't like it, you're screwed!! Yes there are air conditioners, but there is heating in winter too. So we're just talking about when you're outdoors and there is no heating/cooling available, in which case the cold can be solved, but the heat cannot.

I agree that -30 celsius can be pretty hard going, but even that I prefer to 40 degrees. You just gear up really good, almost like an astronaut, and then it's just like a trip to the moon or a spacewalk or something.

I think the thing I prefer most about extreme cold vs extreme heat is that extreme cold is clean and pure, while extreme heat is dirty, filthy, swarming with germs and insects and microbes. 

I think the preference probably has alot to do with what you're forced to accept though. If you don't learn to accept winter and have fun with it here, you're just going to be miserable. But it still doesn't explain why so many people here have such a low tolerance for extreme heat, because we actually get alot of that in the summer too. I think it's because the heat is so much less avoidable, it hunts you down and you suffer and there's nothing you can do about it. You can always apply ingenuity and technology against the cold, but outside of indoor heating/cooling there's not a thing you can do about heat.



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2009 at 23:38

Ok, how about Islamabad, with its 45 C summers, -10 C winters and monsoon thrown in? Bloody complainers.

 
Incidentally, there is a way to deal with the heat and cold as well, wear loose and thin clothes, stay in the shade and drink lots of water. The cold, cover the extremities, wear layers.
 
Seriously people!


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Posted By: edgewaters
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2009 at 23:42

Originally posted by Sparten

Incidentally, there is a way to deal with the heat and cold as well, wear loose and thin clothes, stay in the shade and drink lots of water.

That helps, but not that much. You'll still be hot.

With enough layers and the right clothes, you can overheat and be pouring sweat even if it's -20 degrees out. So I still say that the cold is alot easier to mitigate than the heat.



Posted By: Constantine XI
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2009 at 23:51
Originally posted by edgewaters

Originally posted by Omar al Hashim

2-6 degree days with a cold wind and overcast conditions is much more unpleasant than 40.

No way! 2-6 degrees is quite nice. Refreshing. If you don't like it, you just put some warm clothes on and you're fine. If it's 40 degrees and you don't like it, you're screwed!! Yes there are air conditioners, but there is heating in winter too. So we're just talking about when you're outdoors and there is no heating/cooling available, in which case the cold can be solved, but the heat cannot.

I agree that -30 celsius can be pretty hard going, but even that I prefer to 40 degrees. You just gear up really good, almost like an astronaut, and then it's just like a trip to the moon or a spacewalk or something.

I think the thing I prefer most about extreme cold vs extreme heat is that extreme cold is clean and pure, while extreme heat is dirty, filthy, swarming with germs and insects and microbes. 

I think the preference probably has alot to do with what you're forced to accept though. If you don't learn to accept winter and have fun with it here, you're just going to be miserable. But it still doesn't explain why so many people here have such a low tolerance for extreme heat, because we actually get alot of that in the summer too. I think it's because the heat is so much less avoidable, it hunts you down and you suffer and there's nothing you can do about it. You can always apply ingenuity and technology against the cold, but outside of indoor heating/cooling there's not a thing you can do about heat.



I do so agree with this.

The heat does get filthy, and you must keep in mind the humidity we are subjected to in this climate. Which in turn results in all the sweat and grime.

The heat has an enervating effect on people, making them indolent and very casual. On the other hand, the cold is crisp and refreshing and keeps people sharp.


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Posted By: edgewaters
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2009 at 00:09
Originally posted by Constantine XI



I do so agree with this.

The heat does get filthy, and you must keep in mind the humidity we are subjected to in this climate. Which in turn results in all the sweat and grime.

The heat has an enervating effect on people, making them indolent and very casual. On the other hand, the cold is crisp and refreshing and keeps people sharp.

Yes, my dislike of heat probably has alot to do with the extreme humidity we have here as well. I can imagine if you live somewhere that has a dry heat, it could be preferable to the cold. And actually, the worst kind of cold is wet cold, where it's cold enough to be unpleasant but not cold enough to freeze water vapour or stop it from raining. In that sense, 2-6 degrees can be alot more unpleasant than -20 under the right conditions.

Summertime makes me stinky, dull-witted, and listless. I don't know if it's the heat or the humidity but either way I just can't wait til its over. 



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2009 at 00:15
Originally posted by edgewaters

Originally posted by Sparten

Incidentally, there is a way to deal with the heat and cold as well, wear loose and thin clothes, stay in the shade and drink lots of water.

That helps, but not that much. You'll still be hot.

With enough layers and the right clothes, you can overheat and be pouring sweat even if it's -20 degrees out. So I still say that the cold is alot easier to mitigate than the heat.

I have been outside in 50 C and -10C pretty much every year. The key is to remain covered and wear loose fitting clothes and you are fine.


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Posted By: edgewaters
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2009 at 00:41

Well, I've worn loose fitting clothes, sat in the shade, and drank lots of water and it's no silver bullet. 

The cold can be entirely mitigated, to the point you can be sweating under too many layers. Loose clothes and lots of water will not make you feel like you're freezing at 50C! The effectiveness of that is pretty much limited to preventing heat exhaustion.

Besides, you're from the UK, so your opinion is questionable. "Mad dogs and Englishmen" and all that. Britons pride themselves on having a mental disorder that prevents them from registering the effects of extreme temperatures.



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2009 at 02:00
He is from Pakistan 

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2009 at 02:33

^

Yup, born and bread. In London for a year. As I think I mentioned a few times.
 
And edgewaters, don't get me started on UK citizens perceptions of weather extremes. 6 inches of snow and everything went to hell here this week. -5; BIG FREEZE according to tha tabloids. 30 C is a heatwave.


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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2009 at 03:31
Amazing wheather in Australia.
Here in central Chile, temperatures are moderated all year around. Today we have circa 34 degrees celsius, which is about the highest we ever have. At winter time, the lowest temperature get is 5 degrees below, in real cold days. Most of the year, though is clowdy.
There aren't tornados or hurricanes in here either, nor largest electric storms. The most dangerous weather phenomena is heavy rain, that sometimes produces tragic floodings.
 
The toughest wheather I have lived was in Saskatchewan, Canada, where at winter time the temperature dropped to 40 degrees celsius below zero, and at summer time climbed to 42 degrees above zero!! What a weather!
 


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Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2009 at 03:49
when Chile/Andes flood we are in drough.

For  the Aussies, you can see the elertical market live here, major spike in NSW

http://www.nemmco.com.au/ - http://www.nemmco.com.au/


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Posted By: Omar al Hashim
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2009 at 05:12
Originally posted by edgewaters

I can imagine if you live somewhere that has a dry heat, it could be preferable to the cold. And actually, the worst kind of cold is wet cold, where it's cold enough to be unpleasant but not cold enough to freeze water vapour or stop it from raining. In that sense, 2-6 degrees can be alot more unpleasant than -20 under the right conditions.

Yeah a good point actually.
I meant a wet cold, if we have a dry cold with sunshine(-6 to 8 or something) its actually really lovely. I also meant a dry heat, like we have now.

Incidentally I spent all morning at the Multicultural festival in the city. So I've had a good deal of walking around in the heat today.
Well, I've worn loose fitting clothes, sat in the shade, and drank lots of water and it's no silver bullet.

Sitting under a deep shade from a European tree is totally lovely though. Its often better than airconditioners.
Besides, you're from the UK, so your opinion is questionable. "Mad dogs and Englishmen" and all that. Britons pride themselves on having a mental disorder that prevents them from registering the effects of extreme temperatures.

, Funniest thing I have read all day.

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Posted By: Al Jassas
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2009 at 06:16
Hello to you all
 
As a guy who lives without AC's in 100% humidity and shade temps of 51C and temps above 40 for 6 months of the year, see the link below, and saw temps as low as -7C with frost, I say give me hot weather over cold one. Hypothermia is much more dangerous than any heat related diseases. Plus dehydration occures as much in cold weather as it does in worm one and frostbite, the most dangerous side effect of cold, doesn't occure in heat.
 
http://www.tutiempo.net/en/Climate/Dhahran/07-2007/404160.htm - http://www.tutiempo.net/en/Climate/Dhahran/07-2007/404160.htm
 
Al-Jassas


Posted By: Styrbiorn
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2009 at 11:04
Originally posted by Sparten

And edgewaters, don't get me started on UK citizens perceptions of weather extremes. 6 inches of snow and everything went to hell here this week. -5; BIG FREEZE according to tha tabloids. 30 C is a heatwave.
Well, they get snow once in every ten or so years, so you can't really expect them to be prepared with snow-removing equipment all the time. Stockholmers on the other hand, has no excuse for their lousy snow-driving. Confused
 
edit: oh, and heat is very much better than cold, I've been in temperatures between +45 and -40, and I know what I prefer. It's not even close.


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2009 at 11:56
It's 32-34 Celsius in Malaysia.. almost everyday the same throughout the year.
unless it is raining.. the temp will drop down..

43? that's very uncomfortable..


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Posted By: Reginmund
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2009 at 15:06
As long as I have heated shelter I prefer extreme cold over extreme heat. Extreme heat is less dangerous, true, but extreme cold is cleaner; it doesn't make you sweat, it doesn't allow all sorts of disgusting organisms like bugs, fungus and bacteria to breed and multiply and it makes people stay indoors rather than run around causing trouble. The sterile, dead silence of a harsh winter is something I savour. 

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Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2009 at 21:07
Originally posted by Omar al Hashim


Yes, but there is a cool change on Monday.
While the -18 with windchill is not comfortable heat is much much worse.
I don't know, I think cold is worse.2-6 degree days with a cold wind and overcast conditions is much more unpleasant than 40.I suggest an AE conference in Ivanhoe tomorrow LOL


Hi Omar
I don't agree because I have lived in hot areas and cold areas and if you are in Australia then you cold cannot compare to the east side of Washington or Montana state. I have been in -30 below zero F. - not celcius. You can always escape the cold in a warm house or clothing but the heat seems so much harder to escape from. I have backpacked in Arizona when it was over 120 F. and in the Pacific NW when it was -13 below F. I prefer cold to hot anyday- even minus zero. I prefer hiking in the 70's F. but climate never stops me but heat will more likely get me to rethink my plans. Now I live in Arizona so I will have to adapt to hot and with the summer monsoons- hot+ humid. ARRRGGGHHHH!!

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2009 at 23:22
If you guys are trying to hike in 35 C weather I think I can see why you have problems handling the heat.
 
 


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Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 08-Feb-2009 at 02:17
the bush fires did arrive in Victoria. Our Eucalyptus are like pine tees, full of flammable oil. when we have strong winds - long weeks of dry weather we normally get these type of tragedies. The death toll is going to be very big this year.

Edit it looks like it may top http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ash_Wednesday_fires -













aftermath




http://www.news.com.au/gallery/0,23607,5037339-5006020-1,00.html - http://www.news.com.au/gallery/0,23607,5037339-5006020-1,00.html
http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/2009/02/07/1233423569062.html - http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/2009/02/07/1233423569062.html






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Posted By: Constantine XI
Date Posted: 08-Feb-2009 at 02:54
Last night we went out clubbing. It was fan-tabulous. Before that a girl at the pre-party was checking through her friends' facebook pictures in her home town (which has been subjected to extreme bush fire offensives). The local petrol station had been hit and it exploded, destroying the surrounding two blocs of buildings including a school. One picture after another illustrated the destroyed homes, vehicles, livestock and lives in a way words never could. She was bawling her eyes out.

At the club it got worse, a friend of mine just found out his entire stock of memorabilia from his youth had been turned to ashes when the home he was born in was engulfed in flames. All his photos, sports trophies, school reports - everything all turned to black waste.


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Posted By: Jallaludin Akbar
Date Posted: 08-Feb-2009 at 03:07
Originally posted by Constantine XI

Last night we went out clubbing. It was fan-tabulous. Before that a girl at the pre-party was checking through her friends' facebook pictures in her home town (which has been subjected to extreme bush fire offensives). The local petrol station had been hit and it exploded, destroying the surrounding two blocs of buildings including a school. One picture after another illustrated the destroyed homes, vehicles, livestock and lives in a way words never could. She was bawling her eyes out.

At the club it got worse, a friend of mine just found out his entire stock of memorabilia from his youth had been turned to ashes when the home he was born in was engulfed in flames. All his photos, sports trophies, school reports - everything all turned to black waste.

dear god..i feel very sorry him and everyone else hit by this devestating tragedy. Hopefully the fires can be stopped and peace will quickly return  to those that need it most.


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Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 08-Feb-2009 at 12:13
its worse than ash Wednesday 85 dead and counting, the fires are not out, over 200,000 ha burnt so far.



aftermath








he entire town of Marysville in the Yarra Valley has been wiped out
these things get hired every season





you need to be as fast as this to get out with singed fur



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 08-Feb-2009 at 13:32
Very terrible.. were they managed to stop the fire?

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Posted By: edgewaters
Date Posted: 08-Feb-2009 at 13:46
Originally posted by Constantine XI

Last night we went out clubbing. It was fan-tabulous. Before that a girl at the pre-party was checking through her friends' facebook pictures in her home town (which has been subjected to extreme bush fire offensives). The local petrol station had been hit and it exploded, destroying the surrounding two blocs of buildings including a school. One picture after another illustrated the destroyed homes, vehicles, livestock and lives in a way words never could. She was bawling her eyes out.

At the club it got worse, a friend of mine just found out his entire stock of memorabilia from his youth had been turned to ashes when the home he was born in was engulfed in flames. All his photos, sports trophies, school reports - everything all turned to black waste.

Being a person who's always felt almost as sentimental about places and things as I do about people, this sounds like a nightmare. 



Posted By: SearchAndDestroy
Date Posted: 08-Feb-2009 at 17:24
Wow, this is pretty depressing to look at and hear about. Can't imagine having every thing you know and grow up with gone in a flash. It has to be gut wrenching, I wouldn't even want to imagine the feelings they are going through. A whole town lost... It's horrible.

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Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 08-Feb-2009 at 20:17
Originally posted by cahaya

Very terrible.. were they managed to stop the fire?
Not yet, there is more than one fire, the size of our country  is such we have a hard time imaging the scale.

108 dead and the figure is growing


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Posted By: Spartakus
Date Posted: 08-Feb-2009 at 21:57
It reminds me of the fires in  the Peloponnese , with 60 dead and entire villages burnt. I hope the Australian government is not that incompetent as the Greek one in dealing with disasters.

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Posted By: Omar al Hashim
Date Posted: 08-Feb-2009 at 23:07
Originally posted by edgewaters

Originally posted by Constantine XI

Last night we went out clubbing. It was fan-tabulous. Before that a girl at the pre-party was checking through her friends' facebook pictures in her home town (which has been subjected to extreme bush fire offensives). The local petrol station had been hit and it exploded, destroying the surrounding two blocs of buildings including a school. One picture after another illustrated the destroyed homes, vehicles, livestock and lives in a way words never could. She was bawling her eyes out.

At the club it got worse, a friend of mine just found out his entire stock of memorabilia from his youth had been turned to ashes when the home he was born in was engulfed in flames. All his photos, sports trophies, school reports - everything all turned to black waste.

Being a person who's always felt almost as sentimental about places and things as I do about people, this sounds like a nightmare. 


A very common one here.
If all of his family got out unhurt then he was lucky. We have a breifcase with out important documents in it; if there is a fire just grab that and go. Too many people don't know how to deal with fire, one lady who was killed in her car had all the crockery in the back. That's not something that you just throw in, the time she spent packing her fine china probably cost her life.


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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 09-Feb-2009 at 00:13
Any chance of rain?

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Posted By: pikeshot1600
Date Posted: 09-Feb-2009 at 00:17
Originally posted by Sparten

Any chance of rain?
 
In Britain?  Big smile
 
 


Posted By: Constantine XI
Date Posted: 09-Feb-2009 at 00:40
Originally posted by Sparten

Any chance of rain?


The January just gone saw an average rainfall for the state of Victoria of 0.8 of one mililitre of rain. This has made conditions in much of Victoria ideal for fire storms. Not to mention we had our hottest week in exactly 100 years. Victoria is the Australian state most severely affected by the fires right now, with some of it affecting New South Wales.

It is difficult to really imagine how bad it is for people in these conditions. The eucalyptus trees, which are so very common in Australia, produce eucalyptus fumes which burn like petrol. Forest fires can rage through the air many 10s of metres above the trees due to these fumes. The fire advances quickly, as quickly as 60 miles an hour. The strong winds carry burning embers through the air which quickly engulf all of the dry vegetation in front of them and then spread further. That kangaroo was lucky to get out with singed fur, the vast bulk of our animals simply are not fast enough to outrun the surging wall of flames.

108 are the worst casualties Australia has suffered in I don't know how long. I try to think of the last time this many Australians died in a single tragedy, I just can't. The bombing of Darwin in WWII perhaps? Pehaps at some point one of our navy ships sank with large loss of life?

It is hard for people to understand how dangerous these fires are until it is too late for them. The sheer scale of the flames mean that the fire sucks in vast amounts of air from surrounding areas, creating a vacuum. People jump into their cars thinking that they can still drive away, only to realise that there is no air available and their car's carberator (sic?) will not work.

People are of course reluctant to leave their homes, and wish to defend their properties against the fire front for as long as possible. But sometimes they stay longer than they should, because they do not realise how little time they have left before things get fatal. Often the radiant heat from the massive fire front is enough to simply destroy their bodies before the smoke or flames are close enough to do their damage.

Federal Parliament has been suspended out of respect for the huge losses, and the government has been quick to organise relief services. The volunteer firefighters are doing a heroic job, and we wish them the best luck in the world in beating this thing.


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Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 09-Feb-2009 at 02:32
Originally posted by Constantine XI


People are of course reluctant to leave their homes, and wish to defend their properties against the fire front for as long as possible. But sometimes they stay longer than they should, because they do not realise how little time they have left before things get fatal. Often the radiant heat from the massive fire front is enough to simply destroy their bodies before the smoke or flames are close enough to do their damage.


Good post as usual well written. Our Euclypts are particulary dangerous, the winds were that great it took literally minutes for these fire storms to pass through a house, you can see burnt out cars where people treid to escape.
 
 
on the heat intensity
A University of Melbourne senior lecturer in fire ecology and management, Kevin Tolhurst, said the radiant heat - the heat given off by the fires - would itself have been enough to kill. "When it gets close, you have enormous radiation loads."

The "survivability" distance of Saturday's heat was about four times their height - a 35-metre high fire would directly imperil those within 140 metres.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/heat-similar-to-dresden/2009/02/08/1234027855652.html - SMH
 
here is a feel for the scale
 
  • Victoria Police had confirmed 130+ people dead, while the CFA said more than 100 people were still unaccounted for.
  • Up to 700 homes and 340,000ha of land were destroyed.
  • More than 3730 people had registered with the Red Cross as having left their properties and the total homeless figure is expected to be much higher.
 


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Posted By: Reginmund
Date Posted: 09-Feb-2009 at 08:51
Bear with me if this has already been mentioned, but the latest news reports here state the fires are now believed to have been instigated.

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Posted By: Constantine XI
Date Posted: 09-Feb-2009 at 10:41
Arson is considered one possibility. Lightning strikes, at this stage, are considered to have been responsible for a greater share of the fires.

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Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 09-Feb-2009 at 20:52
Originally posted by Leonidas

its worse than ash Wednesday 85 dead and counting, the fires are not out, over 200,000 ha burnt so far.aftermathhe entire town of Marysville in the Yarra Valley has been wiped outthese things get hired every seasonyou need to be as fast as this to get out with singed fur


wow - intense
Not too long ago California was like that but they have a lot more people than Australia- I think 36 million in the state today. It is strange how in southern Arizona the cool time of year is the dry time and fire season and in the summer, with the Monsoons, it is very green but very hot and humid. I prefer -17 below F. but dry than 120 F. and high humidity. I also do not like wet cold like Athens, Greece in the winter or San Franciso, CA. I thought Athens was a wet bone chlling cold.


By sunhorseflower on Flickr
Green like Ireland in the summer. I will look forward to the green but not the heat and humidity.


By azrdwarr on Flickr
Another worry besides heat is the extreme lightning storms here during the monsoons.

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Posted By: Voskhod
Date Posted: 10-Feb-2009 at 11:36
The fires aren't really that far from Melbourne, either. Healesville and Cranbourne aren't exactly the outback.

This is very tragic indeed. We had a little meeting at school today on raising money for bushfire victims. Just doing our bit to help out.


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Posted By: Constantine XI
Date Posted: 10-Feb-2009 at 11:45
Originally posted by Voskhod

The fires aren't really that far from Melbourne, either. Healesville and Cranbourne aren't exactly the outback.

This is very tragic indeed. We had a little meeting at school today on raising money for bushfire victims. Just doing our bit to help out.


Correct. The fires are not all that far from the fringes of the metropolitan region. A friend of mine in Warrandyte is barely 7 minutes from the firefront, and has already evacuated her home.

I don't expect the fires to seriously threaten the inner suburbs. If they do, I have planned what I need to take with me. I will load it on my back and quick march to Port Phillip Bay (hopefully getting a lift on the way), the fires can at least be checked at the ocean.

But again, I don't expect that to occur. The weather this week is much more temperate and I think the worst is over.


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Posted By: Reginmund
Date Posted: 12-Feb-2009 at 09:14
Two have now been arrested in connection with the fires. If they are in fact proven to have contributed to the fires with arson, I wonder what kind of future they can expect in Australia.

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Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 12-Feb-2009 at 10:26
there talking of bringing murder charges down on any one convicted.



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Posted By: Constantine XI
Date Posted: 12-Feb-2009 at 11:55
Originally posted by Leonidas

there talking of bringing murder charges down on any one convicted.



I support such a move. The sheer scale of death warrants it, and people must be held accountable for actions whose consequences they could reasonably forsee.

The method of murder might not have been as up close and personal as being blown away at point blank range with a shotgun, but the deaths it did inflict would have been far more awful in every way that mattered to the victim.


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Posted By: Reginmund
Date Posted: 12-Feb-2009 at 14:00
Apparently the two have been released now, no charges pressed.

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Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 12-Feb-2009 at 19:10
I remember in one of our states a forest service fire fighter was starting fires on purpose and she was eventually caught. I cannot recall if anyone died as a result of the fires but there was a lot of property damage. Does anyone recall this case and what state was it in? I know California was hit really hard by fires this year so I think the Australian can relate to Californians. I wonder if any American fire fighters have volunteered service in Australia?
We still have a drought in many western States like Arizona and I hear the fire season has not started yet.

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Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 13-Feb-2009 at 09:55
I am not surprised eaglecap, there has been links between fire bugs and firemen. Maybe, like a crooked cop, there the attraction to the problem as much as the job.

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Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 14-Feb-2009 at 19:11
Originally posted by Leonidas

I am not surprised eaglecap, there has been links between fire bugs and firemen. Maybe, like a crooked cop, there the attraction to the problem as much as the job.


Yes that is very sad but some people have issues and no honor. I do not know much about Australian ecology, except for what I have seen in documentaries. Is Australia a fire ecology like California or the western half of North America, probably the whole continent?

My friend lives north of Spokane, sort of in the country, but his small development of a few hundred homes has a lot of 80 to 100 foot tall ponderosa pines. This area is a natural fire ecology so when the conditions are right and a good wind all those homes will go bye bye. I do not want to see this but it is reality. He is a fireman and agreed with me. My new area in Arizona is very dry now but it is cool so I do not worry about fires yet.


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