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Evrenosgazi
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Topic: Scythians Posted: 17-Mar-2006 at 17:00 |
Originally posted by prsn41ife
for the nine that voted that the scythians are turkic, i would like to know with what evidence you think they are turkic.
just for discussion purposes.
encyclopaedia britannica: http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9066426?query=scythians &ct=
member of a nomadic people originally of Iranian stock who migrated from Central Asia to southern Russia in the 8th and 7th centuries Bc . |
Samartians: http://www.britannica.com/ebc/article-9377779?que ry=scythians&ct=
Any member of a people originally of Iranian stock who migrated from Central Asia to the Ural Mountains in the 6th4th centuries BC and settled in southern European Russia and the eastern Balkans. |
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You are the last one to talk about evidence Mr.Turkishcomplex
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Iranian41ife
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Posted: 17-Mar-2006 at 17:25 |
i dont have a turkish complex, i have a pan turkish complex.
its the same with germans, i dont have a anything against germans, but i have hate against nazi's.
anyway, im still wondering why those 9 people would vote turkic without posting evidence. but o well....
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"If they attack Iran, of course I will fight. But I will be fighting to defend Iran... my land. I will not be fighting for the government and the nuclear cause." ~ Hamid, veteran of the Iran Iraq War
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Evrenosgazi
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Posted: 17-Mar-2006 at 17:32 |
Then I can say you pan-ranian
then you are the same to
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Evrenosgazi
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Posted: 17-Mar-2006 at 17:35 |
Mentioning scytians as turks is ridicolous as mentioning safavids as persians
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Iranian41ife
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Posted: 17-Mar-2006 at 17:48 |
Originally posted by Evrenosgazi
Mentioning scytians as turks is ridicolous as mentioning safavids as persians
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i never said safavids were persian, i said they were iranian.
now your just making things up because you have no evidence.
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"If they attack Iran, of course I will fight. But I will be fighting to defend Iran... my land. I will not be fighting for the government and the nuclear cause." ~ Hamid, veteran of the Iran Iraq War
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Evrenosgazi
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Posted: 18-Mar-2006 at 05:19 |
You are calling allpeople in Iran geography as Iranian. Maybe you are considering armenians as Iranian to.
but Samanids are Iranian not Safavids read carefully
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gok_toruk
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Posted: 18-Mar-2006 at 08:24 |
PersianLife, you're telling me how the people are in Central Asia to me? Forget about all those numbers you've got online. I can show you papers saying Azeris consist more than 70 percent of Iran. But you've got to live in Iran to see how peopl spread there...
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Iranian41ife
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Posted: 18-Mar-2006 at 09:08 |
Originally posted by Evrenosgazi
You are calling allpeople in Iran geography as Iranian. Maybe you are considering armenians as Iranian to.
but Samanids are Iranian not Safavids read carefully
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they are iranian. iran is made up of many different ethnic groups, like the USA for example.
i dont understand why you dont get that...
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Iranian41ife
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Posted: 18-Mar-2006 at 09:10 |
Originally posted by gok_toruk
PersianLife, you're telling me how the people are in Central Asia to me? Forget about all those numbers you've got online. I can show you papers saying Azeris consist more than 70 percent of Iran. But you've got to live in Iran to see how peopl spread there...
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have you been all over central asia??? no you havent. you live in one country, and have only seen one part of central asia.
so dont tell me that you can represent a whole regions as vast as central asia.
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Posted: 18-Mar-2006 at 10:35 |
Originally posted by Evrenosgazi
You are calling allpeople in Iran geography as Iranian. Maybe you are considering armenians as Iranian to.
but Samanids are Iranian not Safavids read carefully
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Safavid were Iranian, not persian. They were turkic by ethnicity and Iranian by nationality.
And for sure we consider Armenians who live in Iran as Iranians. We are open minded people and have no probleme with ethnic groups in Iran. So we would accept everyone who lives in Iran as Iranians, even if they are Japanes or African or whatever.
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Iranian41ife
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Posted: 18-Mar-2006 at 11:24 |
Originally posted by Maziar
Originally posted by Evrenosgazi
You are calling allpeople in Iran geography as Iranian. Maybe you are considering armenians as Iranian to.
but Samanids are Iranian not Safavids read carefully
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Safavid were Iranian, not persian. They were turkic by ethnicity and Iranian by nationality.
And for sure we consider Armenians who live in Iran as Iranians. We are open minded people and have no probleme with ethnic groups in Iran. So we would accept everyone who lives in Iran as Iranians, even if they are Japanes or African or whatever.
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infact, there are africans in iran!
im sorry my turkish friend, but iran excepts all people, i dont know why you dont understand that. maybe were you come from its not like this....
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gok_toruk
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Posted: 18-Mar-2006 at 13:49 |
I've been to all over Central Asia; at least two destinations every year. Note my mother's side come from Kazakstan. It's too easy to travel among CA nations here. There are lots of people like me who have been to different countries of Central Asia. Central Asia seems like kind of a united region. You can't understand the situation...
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gok_toruk
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Posted: 18-Mar-2006 at 13:51 |
Your people have been lost for almost a thousand years...
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Iranian41ife
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Posted: 18-Mar-2006 at 13:54 |
Originally posted by gok_toruk
Your people have been lost for almost a thousand years... |
lost a thousand years of what? im confused. i believe the whole region, even your precious ottoman empire, safavids, etc... all spoke persian (the cultural language of the ottoman empire was persian), all took in persian culture, and to this day, have more iranian culture in them than they want to admit.
just keep listening to your propaganda, while i live in the real world.
there were only 2 times in history when iran wasnt labled persia, that was under the greeks, and under the arabs. all other times it was iran and persia.
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Posted: 18-Mar-2006 at 14:03 |
Turks & Mongols spoke Farsi as their official language? If this is the real world, I prefer to dream in my imaginary land...
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Sajaja bramani totari ta, raitata raitata, radu ridu raitata, rota.
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Iranian41ife
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Posted: 18-Mar-2006 at 14:07 |
Originally posted by gok_toruk
Turks & Mongols spoke Farsi as their official language? If this is the real world, I prefer to dream in my imaginary land... |
please tell me, what do they teach you turkmenistan?
anyway, this thread is done, its 26 to 9, i think people have expressed their beliefs.
there is no more point in arguing.
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gok_toruk
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Posted: 18-Mar-2006 at 14:08 |
They teach not to laugh to other people's idea...
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Posted: 18-Mar-2006 at 19:15 |
From what I have seen on internet sights the Schythians were located in the Altai Mt. range (CA) and north of the Caspian and in present day Ukraine. Most research points to Scythians being Aryan. Steppe tactics were useds like other nomads.
How did this thread get so off topic? Looks like a few nationalists like to usurp this thread and stake their claims. I'm still trying to figure out that purpose and why this topic has drifted. If it makes a few happy that certain tribes made a pit stop in Iran and now they are forever indebted to Iranian culture and people then so be it. Since the wanderers and immigrated also spoke different languages back then too lets accept that as well.
Another point. Any country could call their people their own even though they are made up of different stock. Such a universal concept! This is not specific to Iran only. So lets get behind such proud nationalistic claims and evaluate the ethnicity of various elements. Is this really so hard to do?
Better yet. All interested parties should discuss ethnicities of central asia and Iran in another thread. This one is suppose to be about Scythians.
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Posted: 18-Mar-2006 at 19:24 |
Originally posted by prsn41ife
Originally posted by gok_toruk
Turks & Mongols spoke Farsi as their official language? If this is the real world, I prefer to dream in my imaginary land... |
please tell me, what do they teach you turkmenistan?
anyway, this thread is done, its 26 to 9, i think people have expressed their beliefs.
there is no more point in arguing.
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you are best persian41 best man
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Posted: 18-Mar-2006 at 19:36 |
Closed.
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