Shaman since you are new here welcome. By the way there are a few pages already on the Scythians in previous threads.

I noticed that you have made three of these polls. If you make a mistake let one of the moderators know so we could delete the other ones. Please no more rewriting newer the polls. 

samartians are also iranic.

they were very closely related to the scythians.

and before the turkic migrations, central asia was almost practically completely iranic.

Persians came from Central Asia to Iran, along with Medes and Parthians, Persians were nomads in the exact same style as Scythians.

Learn some history.

RohshAlani (Roxalani) means bright Alans, in reference to their grandeur. Rohsh (Persian) Rohx (Ossetian) = bright in Persian and Ossetian, Ossetians are the direct descendants of Alans.

wow, this guy went form asking a question to showing his true intents in a matter of 10 posts.

i had a feeling you were pan turk the first time i read your post...

bye bye.

Where's the African option.

I vote African.

Originally posted by Shaman Originally posted by Zagros Persians came from Central Asia to Iran, along with Medes and Parthians, Persians were nomads in the exact same style as Scythians. Learn some history. RohshAlani (Roxalani) means bright Alans, in reference to their grandeur. Rohsh = bright in Persian and Ossetian, Ossetians are the direct descendants of Alans.   Ok you say " Persians came from Central Asia to Iran". Where is Turks came from to Central Asia?. America? Turks don't steal history from other nations like you so our history and culture is original. Turkish culture isn't pathetic like your civilazition. Alans, Ossetians, Circassians, Roxolans and other "iranic" tribes are unimportant for us. Our glorious history don't need them. NSrO:üÜ rüt:irðt>>

Shaman you are out of line. Your deragatory remarks need to stop.  

year 1936 it was `new theories`

True merced12. It is old news that is no longer part of a schools curriculum.

Originally posted by Shaman Originally posted by Zagros Persians came from Central Asia to Iran, along with Medes and Parthians, Persians were nomads in the exact same style as Scythians. Learn some history. RohshAlani (Roxalani) means bright Alans, in reference to their grandeur. Rohsh = bright in Persian and Ossetian, Ossetians are the direct descendants of Alans.   Ok you say " Persians came from Central Asia to Iran". Where is Turks came from to Central Asia?. America? Turks don't steal history from other nations like you so our history and culture is original. Turkish culture isn't pathetic like your civilazition. Alans, Ossetians, Circassians, Roxolans and other "iranic" tribes are unimportant for us. Our glorious history don't need them. NSrO:üÜ rüt:irðt>>

Rohxalani and Alani were Sarmatian tribes, so I guess you can add them to your list too.  In my opinion the Turkic tribes descended from the same area as the Yakut Turks.

Why get mad I wasn't the one who recorded history... I suggest you study it a little and don't conjecture without any basis.

Nomadic Kermanshahi woman retaining much of the same lifestyle as her ancient Medean and Parthian ancestors, nomads from Central Asia

are you sure?

i also heard that ataturk said all languages were of turkic origion.

i really hope this kind of propaganda is no longer taught, however, im sure some of it is still taught.

zagros, seko

i believe shaman needs to be banned for comments like that according to AE?

No, let's not, I will take Seko's word for it - let's keep this civil and on topic...

Prsn, stop going off topic. And Seko gave him an informal warning, per regulation.

He was given my informal warning on this thread. If a continued disturbance occurs it will be dealt with by the proper channels. A PM is the proper method of sharing thoughts on another member. And lastly you are at the middle of many heated debates I have seen so far. You should remind yourself of any provocations as well.

I will remind Shaman via PM of this informal warning.

you are a super comedian ,you are best

if shaman banned ,why are you banned?who says everything iranic?

i will try to find it.

merced12, am i a comedian now?

from a turkish site:

i just posted that for merced12, who thinks that it isnt true.

this is a personal site not offical site.

merced12, type in Sun language theory in google

anyway, here is another link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Language_Theory - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Language_Theory

first ,ataturk didnt create this theory,mahsin mayatek wrote

second it was theory

a thoery that was taught, and encouraged in turkey by the government.

anyway, this thread is done.

Alans were not Avars, Alans travelled with Avars, Alans also joined Huns and Vandals.  And it was an Alanian king who led the confederate Roman army which defeated Atilla's forces at Orleans in France at the battle of Chalons, his name was King Sangiban, that is an Iranian name by all definitions.

http://www.fanaticus.org/DBA/battles/chalons.html - http://www.fanaticus.org/DBA/battles/chalons.html

Alans also settled into Iranian Kurdistan, the tribe ArdAlan are Alani and they had their own dialect similar to Osi.  You can look at ancient artifacts and you will see Scyths/Sarms etc do not fit the ancient impression of Turks you have Gok Toruk.  It is a fact that Persians, Medes and Parthians came to Iran from Central Asia.  The name of Ashgabat has a Parthian root, for example, and farther a field other major central asian settlements have Iranian names (Samarqand, Balkh, Bukhara and etc). Turks pushed in and assimilated or pushed out the "Arian" nomads.

Among Scyths and Sarmatians body decoration was very popular (tattoos & piercings), also the scyths travelled with wagons, these were not Turkic traits.  Body decoration was normal in Iran up until Islamic times.

You can see Assyrian records show that the Parsua and Medes came from the east, not North.

http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/scythians_sacae.php - http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/scythians_sacae. php

You can read this article on Sakae - it is NOT written by an Iranian.

U need to show us some proof.And I seem to remember of herodotus saying that Scyths and Sarmats were kindred, not the other way around.

And explain where did we Serbs pick up some iranian words , names, and toponymus if not from the original Sarmatian Serbs mentioned by Pliny/Ptolemy as a tribe in Sarmatia?Like the name Urosh...compare it with Persian Kurosh (Cyrus).Or azhdaya (dragon)...comp. to Persian ezdeha.Or porsa (pig) in kurdish-in Serbian it's prase;raxna (hole) in Kurdish and raka in Serbian.

It's also  a well-known fact that Ucrainian and Russian are heavily influenced by Iranian...the most logical explanation is the Scythian/Sarmatian influence.In fact, the slavic Antes are clearly connected to the term Alan-since it was a union of sarmato-slavic tribes.

In regard to this polling I just have some questions:

1)Origin of scythians is a scientific matter and can not be determinded by polling, It is not important how majority think about it, what is important is that what scientists and linquistists have found about them.

2)your option can be divided in two category IE and Altaic.All the turkic members and maybe our mongolian friends vote for altaic and other members who may consider this polling interesting will vote for IE option.

3)Iranian is a wrong term here.Iran is a geographical name and being Iranian means those who have lived in Iran .This term can be applied to Azeris too, whose language is Turkish but without doubt they are Iranian. Correct term here is Iranic which has a linguistic meaning.

4)In the options Uralic one has been forgotten while in one hundred years ago there were some theories about presence of some  Uralic elements in scythians and actually it had much more scientific acceptance in those times than Altaic option nowadays.

Hello gok_toruk

you said :

well this is link to Herodotus history book , Volume 4 which deals with scythians.Unfortuantely I coudn't find any evidence for your quote.I would be thankfull if you help me to find it.

http://herodot.georgehinge.com/hdt4.html - http://herodot.georgehinge.com/hdt4.html

thanks and take care of yourself and "sakht nagir" or something llike that. 

Salam Hushyar!  Long time no see, hope everything is well with you! I completely agree, a poll is far too subjective to determine anythingof this nature, however, in Shaman's defense, he may have just been wishing to gain knowledge of people's opinion on the matter.

Turkoglu, Prsn and others, please do not continue that discussion in this thread.

interesting subject, unless its discussed on a civilised manner.

Ashk-abad, Ashgabat, Turkicised version, what does it mean in Turkomen? It literally means "home of Ashkanians" (Parthians).

Dear Zagros

Hello, Oh yes I came back after a long absence, and unfortunately I must go soon, But I am ready in every polling."ommat e hamisheh dar sahneh"

Dear Gok_toruk:

thank you every thing is good .And what I am doing?? , It is certainly have nothingto do with scythian History.Thats a truely freaky part of History.

So watch out. BTW you were a boxer, so you can take care of yourself.

Good luck

Ok-porsa wasn't the most fortunate example......since the english word pork resembles it greatly.However-Urosh and Kurosh are far better examples-since the name is exlusive to serbia (as far as i know).Azhdaya and ezdeha are also very unique examples.

What i'm trying to say is  that iranian( scythian/sarmatian/alan) lang. had strong ifluence on slavic languages.So how were the sarmats/alans turkics then?Where did we aquire all this iranian words?I forgot the rivers Don and Dniester....unquestionably sarmatian terms...

I don't have that much time to read that book...so just tell us in short terms what do these proffesors say.

Originally posted by gok_toruk Well, 'Ashkabat' could be understand in two or three forms; all of them are Turkic. Anyhow, the most famous one is 'full of love'. Tajiks aren't that much great in number as you mentioned. You could see them mostly in Tajikestan and some in Uzbekistan, Persian Life. Thanks for your kind reply Hushiyar yeah, no fear.

You mean Eshgh? It is an Arabic word.

I think it is unlikely, the region is where historical Parthia was.

tajiks make up 40% of the uzbekistan, inhabit iran, turkmenistan, afghanistan and pakistan and of course, tajikistan.

how can you say they arent that great in number?

the fact of the matter is that iranic tribes have always roamed and dominated the region cultural. 

maybe we should start a new topic about this? it should be interesting.

but i dont see what this has to do with scythians?

Man dont fly so high ,you are gonna fall

real comedian

human right organisations?i think persia human right organtions.

i think you go to uzbekistan and see reality.

 ok, i will.

Originally posted by Land of Aryan Originally posted by gok_toruk Well, 'Ashkabat' could be understand in two or three forms; all of them are Turkic. Anyhow, the most famous one is 'full of love'. Tajiks aren't that much great in number as you mentioned. You could see them mostly in Tajikestan and some in Uzbekistan, Persian Life. Thanks for your kind reply Hushiyar yeah, no fear. Ashgabat (Turkmenian language Aþgabat; also Ashkabat, Ashkhabad, Ashgabad, in Persian عشق آباد [eshq-âbâd], in Russian Ашхаба́д [Ashkhabád]) is the capital city of Turkmenistan, a former Soviet republic. Ashgabat has a population of 604,700 (1999 census estimate) and is situated between the Kara Kum desert and the Kopet Dag mountain range. The name is believed to derive from the Persian Ashk-abad meaning "the City of Arsaces". Another explanation is that the name is a corruption of the Persian Eshq (Love) + abad (cultivated place or city), and hence loosely translates as "The city built by/from love". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashgabat - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashgabat

complety wrong land oif aryan.ashg or ask arabic words not persian.

and before go back america,you see istanbul

already been to istanbul. the european side is very beautiful, the asian side not so much, but over all, great city!

and what does me having to go to uzbekistan have to do with istanbul?

I also think you were high when you were typing above. The following information is from http://www.ethnologue.com - http://www.ethnologue.com , do the calculation as for the persentage yourself.

Uzbekistan. 26,410,416. National or official language: Northern Uzbek. 172,700 square miles. Literacy rate: 99%. Also includes Armenian (50,000), Bashkir (35,000), Belarusan (29,000), Chechen, Chuvash (8,868), Dargwa (1,337), Domari, Dungan (1,400), Erzya (14,176), Georgian (4,088), Ingush, Karachay-Balkar (612), Kazakh (808,000), Kirghiz (175,776), Korean (183,000), Lak (1,762), Lezgi (1,585), Lithuanian (1,040), Nogai (151), North Azerbaijani (44,000), Osetin (6,000), Parya, Romanian (3,152), Russian (1,661,000), Standard German (40,000), Tabassaran (224), Tajiki (934,000), Tajiki Spoken Arabic, Tatar (468,000), Turkmen (228,000), Ukrainian (153,000), Uyghur (36,000), Western Farsi (31,121). Information mainly from T. Sebeok 1963; H. Paper 1978; S. Akiner 1983. The number of languages listed for Uzbekistan is 7. Of those, all are living languages.

Do you wanna know how many Uzbeks in Tajikistan? Check the following out:

Tajikistan. 7,011,556. National or official language: Tajiki. 54,019 square miles. Literacy rate: 99%. Also includes Aimaq, Armenian (6,000), Bashkir (5,412), Belarusan, Dungan, Georgian (808), Hazaragi, Kazakh (9,606), Kirghiz (64,000), Korean (13,000), Lak (861), Lithuanian (472), Northern Uzbek (873,000), Osetin (8,000), Romanian (580), Russian (237,000), Southern Pashto (4,000), Standard German, Tatar (80,000), Turkish, Turkmen (13,991), Ukrainian (41,000), Uyghur (3,581), Western Balochi (4,842). Information mainly from T. Sebeok 1963; S. Akiner 1983; B. Comrie 1987; A. Kibrik 1990. The number of languages listed for Tajikistan is 9. Of those, all are living languages.

As for the topic, cultural studies are still on their way to determine the origine of  scythians. They might be Indo-european or Altaic in the history.

I think the most important question should be who are the descendants (majority) or who have continued their culture uptil now. Aren't they Turkic people?

i already said that there are 11 million tajiks in uzbekistan.

during the soviet era, uzbekistan and tajikistan were one huge province in the USSR, the soviets called everyone in that province uzbek because of their ignorance. they made everyone register as UZbek, and when uzbekistan got its freedom, they forced the tajiks to register as uzbeks, and tajiks are still discriminated against in uzbekistan.

tajiks and other iranic people, reside in tajikistan, uzbekistan, china, turkmenistan, khazakstan, etc...

and since the statistics given out by the uzbek government is the 1-2 million figure, organisations have to use it, because no one truly knows the true amount of tajiks in uzbekistan.

for the nine that voted that the scythians are turkic, i would like to know with what evidence you think they are turkic.

just for discussion purposes.

encyclopaedia britannica: http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9066426?query=scythians&ct - http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9066426?query=scythians &ct =

Samartians: http://www.britannica.com/ebc/article-9377779?que ry=scythians&ct=

i dont have a turkish complex, i have a pan turkish complex.

its the same with germans, i dont have a anything against germans, but i have hate against nazi's.

anyway, im still wondering why those 9 people would vote turkic without posting evidence. but o well....

Then I can say you pan-ýranian

then you are the same to

Mentioning scytians as turks is ridicolous as mentioning safavids as persians

i never said safavids were persian, i said they were iranian.

now your just making things up because you have no evidence.

You are calling allpeople in Iran geography as Iranian. Maybe you are considering armenians as Iranian to.

but Samanids are Iranian not Safavids read carefully

PersianLife, you're telling me how the people are in Central Asia to me? Forget about all those numbers you've got online. I can show you papers saying Azeris consist more than 70 percent of Iran. But you've got to live in Iran to see how peopl spread there...

they are iranian. iran is made up of many different ethnic groups, like the USA for example.

i dont understand why you dont get that...

have you been all over central asia??? no you havent. you live in one country, and have only seen one part of central asia.

so dont tell me that you can represent a whole regions as vast as central asia.

Safavid were Iranian, not persian. They were turkic by ethnicity and Iranian by nationality.

And for sure we consider Armenians who live in Iran as Iranians. We are open minded people and have no probleme with ethnic groups in Iran. So we would accept everyone who lives in Iran as Iranians, even if they are Japanes or African or whatever.

infact, there are africans in iran!

im sorry my turkish friend, but iran excepts all people, i dont know why you dont understand that. maybe were you come from its not like this....

lost a thousand years of what? im confused. i believe the whole region, even your precious ottoman empire, safavids, etc... all spoke persian (the cultural language of the ottoman empire was persian), all took in persian culture, and to this day, have more iranian culture in them than they want to admit.

just keep listening to your propaganda, while i live in the real world.

there were only 2 times in history when iran wasnt labled persia, that was under the greeks, and under the arabs. all other times it was iran and persia.

please tell me, what do they teach you turkmenistan?

anyway, this thread is done, its 26 to 9, i think people have expressed their beliefs.

there is no more point in arguing.

From what I have seen on internet sights the Schythians were located in the Altai Mt. range (CA) and north of the Caspian and in present day Ukraine. Most research points to Scythians being Aryan. Steppe tactics were useds like other nomads.

How did this thread get so off topic? Looks like a few nationalists like to usurp this thread and stake their claims.  I'm still trying to figure out that purpose and why this topic has drifted. If it makes a few happy that certain tribes made a pit stop in Iran and now they are forever indebted to Iranian culture and people then so be it. Since the wanderers and immigrated also spoke different languages back then too lets accept that as well.

Another point. Any country could call their people their own even though they are made up of different stock. Such a universal concept! This is not specific to Iran only. So lets get behind such proud nationalistic claims and evaluate the ethnicity of various elements. Is this really so hard to do?

Better yet. All interested parties should discuss ethnicities of central asia and Iran in another thread. This one is suppose to be about Scythians.

you are best persian41 best man