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    Posted: 16-Nov-2009 at 11:44
Many ethnic peoples live in different countries and some of them have no country, for example however there is a country named Azerbaijan, but I think Tabriz in the northwest of Iran can be considered as the capital of Azeri people, or about Tajiks it can be said that Samarkand in Uzbekistan is their capital, of course Dushanbe, the capital of Tajikistan, is already larger than Samarkand but Tajiks themselves know about Samarkand and Bukhara and the important of these cities for their nation.
Shiraz is really the best capital for Persians, Mahabad can be a good capital for Kurds, Mecca has been always the most important Arab city, ... what do you think?
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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Nov-2009 at 12:18
Cyrus, all of this mess, is manmade, in one way or another. Certainly history tells us that mass deportations were part and parcel of most all ancient kingdoms! Resettelements were used by all of the nations within the Fertile Crescent, an Egypt, Syria, Assyria, Persia, Greece, Rome, Byzantium, Persia, etc.! As well we are told of the mass movement of vast numbers of people were were merely fleeing (flying) from other people who made life impossible for them in their original homelands,if there were in an real since of the word "original?" In the best of cases these people were eventually assimilated into the then indigenous folk / volk! But, in most cases, it seems, these movements have only led to hundreds of years of antagonism, hate and warfare amongst the new commers and the old timers!
The Balkins are a prime example of the last as is Iraq, and other semi-created or created boundaries!

It is sad but true.
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  Quote Azadi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Nov-2009 at 10:00
Good point, Opuslola. The movements you described have only led to misery.
Btw, Cyrus, if Kurds ever get an independent country - the capital would be Hewlêr, and Amed would come close to be the cultural capital.
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  Quote Cyrus Shahmiri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Nov-2009 at 11:35
Opuslola, I think the difference between original homeland and adopted homeland is similar to that between mother and stepmother, don't you think so?
Azadi, I don't think that Kurds consider Assyria as their original homeland, Kurds got an independent country in the 20th century and that was the Republic of Kurdistan (Mahabad): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Mahabad and as you read the capital was the city of Mahabad in northwestern Iran, this is the centre of an ancient Kurdish civilization and culture which has been mentioned by ancient historians and geographers like Ptolemy.


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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Nov-2009 at 03:48
"Opuslola, I think the difference between original homeland and adopted homeland is similar to that between mother and stepmother, don't you think so?"

Well Cyrus it depends. If the adopted homeland is the result of the advance of your group into differing lands with the idea of settlement and rule, then if successful, your group, especially after a couple of generations, would consider it as the "homeland" since they would know no other. However, if your group was forcefully resettled to a new area, it is likely that animosity would be generated and the unfairness of the move would be passed on to the next generations, thus more like living with the mother-in-law! Laugh
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  Quote Azadi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Nov-2009 at 07:01
Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri

Azadi, I don't think that Kurds consider Assyria as their original homeland, Kurds got an independent country in the 20th century and that was the Republic of Kurdistan (Mahabad): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Mahabad and as you read the capital was the city of Mahabad in northwestern Iran, this is the centre of an ancient Kurdish civilization and culture which has been mentioned by ancient historians and geographers like Ptolemy.

I'm from East-Kurdistan myself (Mirgewer, near Urmîye/Wirmê - East-Kurdistan), and most of the Kurds I know are from the same area. I've never heard of any Kurds who claims the Mahabad to be the Kurdish capital. Yes, the Soviet controlled Republic of Mahabad was founded - but so was the Republic of Ararat, Kingdom of Southern Kurdistan and Emirate of Soran - you name it. But in the eyes of the Kurds, Hewlêr is their capital, I don't know what you build your statements on. As stated, I'm from East, if Kurds from this area don't look at Mahabad as their capital - no one will. Anyway, could you recommend some books or websites that write about the ancient Kurdish city of Mahabad, and about it being the capital and/or center of the Kurdish civilization ?

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  Quote Cyrus Shahmiri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Nov-2009 at 09:59
Azadi, you yourself said in this thread: http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=27817 ->
 
Originally posted by Azadi

If one earnestly wants to understand the genealogy of a people one must study its language, history and all the archaeological remnants of this people. The strongest hypothesis for the Kurds’ origins leads back to the Medes.
 
Do you believe it or not? Why do you consider the ancient Assyrian city of Arba-ilu as the center of Kurds? What can make it important for Kurds?!
 
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  Quote Azadi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Nov-2009 at 10:07
Even if all four parts of Kurdistan don't get together (but get an autonomous independence), Mahabad will in no way be the capital. In South, Hewler will continue to dominate - mainly because it's in the middle, and no other Kurd from this region will dare put (let's say) Sulemanîa, Kerkûk, Mûsil as capitals. In West the capital would be either Qamişli or Hasakah. In North the capital will be Amed, the biggest and most populated Kurdish city (If a bigger Kurdistan ever get founded, Amed will easily be the capital - this you can confirm with any Kurd who is interested in the Kurdish issue). In East the capital will be Kermaşan, the most populated Kurdish city in the region.

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  Quote Azadi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Nov-2009 at 10:09
Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri

Azadi, you yourself said in this thread: http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=27817 ->
 
Originally posted by Azadi

If one earnestly wants to understand the genealogy of a people one must study its language, history and all the archaeological remnants of this people. The strongest hypothesis for the Kurds’ origins leads back to the Medes.
 
Do you believe it or not? Why do you consider the ancient Assyrian city of Arba-ilu as the center of Kurds? What can make it important for Kurds?!
 
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In South-Kurdistan, it's without doubt the city which connects the most Kurdish people to each other. Read my former post.
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  Quote Cyrus Shahmiri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Nov-2009 at 10:52
Maybe the problem is that Kurdish people don't know much about their history and origin, if they really believe to be descendants of the Medes then the land of ancient Assyria which was conquered by them at the end of the 7th century BC, can't be their original land, of course it is very possible that a large number of Medes migrated to Arbela and other Assyrian cities after their conquest but as I replied to Opuslola, the difference between original homeland and adopted homeland is similar to that between mother and stepmother.
Anyway I think it doesn't matter which city is larger, Tehran is certainly so much larger than Shiraz, even the city of Karaj near Tehran is larger than this city, but Shiraz is the nearest city to Persepolis and Pasargadae, the most important ancient Persian cities, so I think it can be the best capital for Persians.
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