Oghuz appearance

let go of notions of 'race' and free your mind tigloon.

Originally posted by Temujin well, "turanid" in race-terminology simply refers to the type of appearance which is the transition between caucasian and mongoloid.

Originally posted by tigloon Originally posted by Leonidas let go of notions of 'race' and free your mind tigloon. I am a researcher, and this topic is about the appearance of Oğuz Turks, so talking about race was necessary. On the other hand, I am not a racist, I need to explain this for preventing misunderstandings.My explanations about Oğuz Appearance was necessarily about 'race' , 'cause I was trying to explain about the difference  at that time, and now. I would want to underline again that I am not a racist, I only made explanation of necessary  subject.   Thanks

No problems but I am not calling you racist, its just that the whole notion of 'race' is wrong. Race doesn't exist it is just perceived by people. The word you should use is phenotype, how people look.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenotype



Edited by Leonidas - 07-Apr-2009 at 14:54

Originally posted by gezgin Think it as doesn't exist.Tatars and bashkirs migrated from uzbekistan.They speak turkish, we speak turkish.Turkic unity will unite.This is reality.

Turks never had a notion of race, racial purity or having to be from a particular race in order to be a Turk in history so trying to work out who a Turk is today solely looking at "race" (race's don't even exist) is pointless.

It wouldn't matter if you was a direct descendant of the Xiongnu or the Ashina clan or Oghuz Kagan himself, if you didn't identify as a Turk today, didn't speak Turkic and lost socio-cultural connections you wouldn't be a Turk even if you had some of the oldest Turkic descendants. That's why race has little to do with who a person percieves himself to be.

Originally posted by Bulldog Turks never had a notion of race, racial purity or having to be from a particular race in order to be a Turk in history so trying to work out who a Turk is today solely looking at "race" (race's don't even exist) is pointless. It wouldn't matter if you was a direct descendant of the Xiongnu or the Ashina clan or Oghuz Kagan himself, if you didn't identify as a Turk today, didn't speak Turkic and lost socio-cultural connections you wouldn't be a Turk even if you had some of the oldest Turkic descendants. That's why race has little to do with who a person percieves himself to be.

I found an interesting tale which possibly connects to the Unification of th Oguz tribes under Osman. I am sure this legend was created much later than Osman but just likes the Arabs in the 7th century the Turkic tribes had an eye on Constantinople; probably beginning with Osman. Dreams of Empire !!


“ The Turks who had emerged from obscurity in Central Asia, came in waves of various Turkmen tribes and in disparate groups displaced from their homeland… fervent Muslim Cruders. * In time these tribes were united under the leadership of a Turkic tribe called the Osmanlis who were followers of the Sultan Osman.   According to Turkish legend a warrior named Osman had fallen in love with Malkhatun who was the daughter of a saintly Sheikh Edebali. (a story were boy meets girl)Osman was poor so the only way to win her hand in marriage was by winning a military victory and thus gain fame. To prove his valor in battle he captured a castle form a Greek Lord named Kose Mikal, who would later become a close friend. Sometime later Osman had a unusual dream that he had captured his beloveds hand and in this dream “he saw a moon (Symbolizing Malkahatun) rise from the shiekh’s chest and set in Osmans own chest. He immediately saw a great tree ( an ancient Turkish sacred symbol) spring from his chest.” * It spread across the sky while the roots of the tree tapped into four rivers; the Tigris, Euphrates, Nile and Danube. A great wind made the tree’s sword shaped leaves point to Constantinople. page 3

It is a beautiful story which I enjoyed reading and points to the origins of the Ottomans.

Armiesof the Ottoman Turks 1300-1774 AD David Nicolle, Osprey Publishing 1983

Edited by eaglecap - 15-Apr-2009 at 23:54