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    Posted: 17-Oct-2006 at 11:34
Originally posted by Mortaza

People should realize violence is just barbarism and it does not have any justification at all. Not even the fight for justice. Ghandi didn't have to send anyone to kill or to be kill to win India's independence. Why it is necesary to kill innocents when we can deal with our enemies in a better way, by negociations?
 
negotiation is not everytime acceptable situation. How can you negotiate over your freedom. will you bartain less freedom?
 
Yes, you can! If you are strong enough you don't need to resort to violence to win!
 
You have been tough to believe the only way to resove problems is to shot people. Well, look at the random killings in the U.S., in schools, business, for example, and find out the culture of the violence only produces more death.
 
Look at the situation of the Palestinean people, for instance. If their leader have been a little bit more flexible, by now they could have already a really independent and peaceful state. Arafat lost the change of peace when it was at his hands.
 
And you speak about freedom. Tell me, are you really free of doing and saying what is correct in your country?
 
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We have a word at Turkish.

"lm gsterip sıtmaya razı etmek"
 
It means, Someone say you that you will die, and because of this you will accept illness.(I am sure other turks who have better english can translate this better.)
 
Negotiations are generally like this. If you dont want to die, You should accept illness.
 
Now If Palestinean leader have been a little bit more flexible, They would accept illness.
 
And you speak about freedom. Tell me, are you really free of doing and saying what is correct in your country?
 
cant understand point?
 
 


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Look at the situation of the Palestinean people, for instance. If their leader have been a little bit more flexible, by now they could have already a really independent and peaceful state. Arafat lost the change of peace when it was at his hands.

The palestine conflict is one where negotitation cannot lift the palestinians out of oppression barring somesort of miracle. To say that Arafat had an oppurtunity to end the war is completely incorrect. If the palestinian state is going to be under a strangled hold from the Israeli military and settlements, nothing would change.

The only real possibilty is for Israel to become a multi-ethnic state. Although this is against Zionest agendas.
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