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    Posted: 05-Dec-2013 at 02:29
I think this old site deserves some more attention! So, I would suggest that you read it, and then respond.

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My ole friend is spot on here. As that is exactly the reason why he was held in and remains in high esteem. He and his successors (not often remembered) allowed for a re-emergence of an ancient Jewish state and religion in the region. Although the term ''propaganda'' might be substituted with 'justification' ie. legal and royal precedent and prerogative (merely me ya understandLOL). 
Why? Is another tale for another time as far as my personal participation is concerned.Wink
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Thus says the Lord to his anointed, to Cyrus, whom he has taken by his right hand to subdue nations before him and strip the loins of kings, to force gateways before him that their gates be closed no more: I will go before you levelling the heights. I will shatter the bronze gateways, smash the iron bars. I will give you the hidden treasures, the secret hoards, that you may know that I am the Lord. (Isaiah 45:1-3)


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To me, this sounds like propaganda as prominent Jews sought to justify his rule as the new king of Israel by establishing a link with the ancient kings. It seems to have been successful as Cyrus is remembered as a virtuous king, despite being a gentile
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Originally posted by azimuth

ok i asked some jews about cyrus, he is not a prophet in judaisim , he is considered only a good persian king.

I know, I meant in ancient times
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Originally posted by ramin

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Yes but you have a habit of doing such things. If religion bothers you so much then ignore it.
why should he ignore it? he wants to talk about it, then let him talk about it. I mean come on...

 

Of course it is his right. But sheez, his comments serve no purpose. He is deeply offended by religion so I was merely suggesting he avoid such topics.


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Originally posted by ramin

Originally posted by Loknar

Yes but you have a habit of doing such things. If religion bothers you so much then ignore it.
why should he ignore it? he wants to talk about it, then let him talk about it. I mean come on...

 

Of course it is his right. But sheez, his comments serve no purpose. He is deeply offended by religion so I was merely suggesting he avoid such topics.
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Originally posted by Loknar

Yes but you have a habit of doing such things. If religion bothers you so much then ignore it.
why should he ignore it? he wants to talk about it, then let him talk about it. I mean come on...
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Posts: 2979 		  Quote azimuth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Mar-2006 at 20:17
ok i asked some jews about cyrus, he is not a prophet in judaisim , he is considered only a good persian king.
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Posts: 2268 		  Quote Behi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Mar-2006 at 14:45
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And I believe the Bible says that the Son of God would have to come from a descendant of King David. Cyrus to my knowledge is not a descendant of King David.


Cyrus never mentioned as God's Son, as I know.

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Yes but you have a habit of doing such things. If religion bothers you so much then ignore it.
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What discussion?

It was more a monologue of LoA with a few comments. I wanted to give my opinion, once I found what was all about.

This is "intelectual discussion", not theological ranting.

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So, Maju, do you have anything valuable to add? Your comments are completely reactive to this discussion. We are not discussing if the books are a bunch of lies.

And I believe the Bible says that the Son of God would have to come from a descendant of King David. Cyrus to my knowledge is not a descendant of King David.
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Yes, We need some jews here.
& also in the main text of Isaiah, He is Christ, but word changed in translations, Why??!!!!
Becuz the Christ must be one man & he is Jesus!!??
or They are waiting for another one!!!???

& also, We don't consider him as Prophet. he consider as Great man & Father of IRan.
Iranian had only one prophet & he is Zartosht,
also Mani or Mazdak, in history non of them considered as prophet.

but other nations prophets were/are respectful for us.

@MAju: Yes, maybe there are some lies in books
but some people believe that

What about Hitler?? he may fullfill all terms
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Originally posted by Land of Aryan

I don't say  Jews like him or not,

I said " Was he a Porophet??
Was he Christ??"


He wasnt because all those Judaist books are nothing but a bunch of lies.

Was Stalin a prophet? Was Stalin a Christ?

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i dont think it has anything to do with islam, not all people considered prophets by jews are considered prophets by muslims.

there are some prophets jews dont considere as prophets and muslims does.

 
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Possible I think. Parsees were/are considered People of the Book by some muslims, so it makes sense that there may have been one or more Prophets sent to them by God.

Basically I don't know enough to judge but.
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Posts: 2979 		  Quote azimuth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Mar-2006 at 02:33

may be in Judaisim he is considered a Prophet, you need to take a religiouse Jews' opinion here and i think they will tell you what Cyrus considered to them.

 
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I don't say  Jews like him or not,

I said " Was he a Porophet??
Was he Christ??"
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I really don't understand what you mean, LoA. Isaiah mentions that Cyrus is favored by Jehovah... so what? Jews were happy about Cyrus, weren't they? some day they will write hyms to Churchill and Stalin... or maybe not. 

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Nobody has anything to add
wow, for 1st time in AE all people agree
or ....
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