Cyrus in Bible, was he a Christ??
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Topic: Cyrus in Bible, was he a Christ??
Posted By: Behi
Subject: Cyrus in Bible, was he a Christ??
Date Posted: 06-Mar-2006 at 08:12
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I'm sure some peoples with some PAN ###### belief would lough to it, Please b4 clicking on the post, & Shout for nonesense, read all post carefully. It's facts what mentioned in Isaiah Book, Please Read & Answer by open minds without any religious & Natinalism concepts. I'm looking for your opinions Regards Land of Aryan @Azimuth: Thank you |
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Posted By: Behi
Date Posted: 06-Mar-2006 at 08:13
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The Prophet Isaiah
Isaiah ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_language" title="Hebrew language - Hebrew ישׁעיהו Yeshayahu or Yəša‘ăyāhû) is a book of the Jewish http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_Bible" title="Hebrew Bible - Hebrew Bible as well as the Christian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Testament" title="Old Testament - Old Testament , containing prophecies attributed to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaiah" title="Isaiah - Isaiah .
This book is often seen by scholars as being divided into at least two
sections. The first section, consisting of chapters 1-39, is generally
accepted as being written by the prophet Isaiah of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem" title="Jerusalem - Jerusalem ,
or by his followers who took down his words. The second section,
chapters 40-66, is of more debatable origin, as will be described
further below. Isaiah’s messages assume we know something of the rest of the Bible, particularly the earlier books of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Testament" title="Old Testament - Old Testament .
He affirms that God is determined to take and keep a people for
himself. Isaiah sees this as self-evident, seeing as God bothered with
an unattractive bunch of slaves in Egypt, who incessantly grumbled
while he was rescuing them. The descendents were no better - they were
the thankless unfaithful men and women of Isaiah’s time. It is only the
covenant love of God that explains it. He also predicted Xerxes: ------------- |
Posted By: Behi
Date Posted: 06-Mar-2006 at 08:33
Cyrus The Graet in Biblehttp://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Is%2045:1-8&version=31; - Isaiah 45:1-8 (New International Version)Isaiah 45 1 "This is what the LORD says to his anointed, 2 I will go before you 3 I will give you the treasures of darkness, 4 For the sake of Jacob my servant, 5 I am the LORD, and there is no other; 6 so that from the rising of the sun 7 I form the light and create darkness, 8 "You heavens above, rain down righteousness; Footnotes:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezr%201:1-11&version=31; - Ezra 1:1-11 (New International Version)Ezra 1Cyrus Helps the Exiles to Return1 In the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, in order to fulfill the word of the LORD spoken by Jeremiah, the LORD moved the heart of Cyrus king of Persia to make a proclamation throughout his realm and to put it in writing: 2 "This is what Cyrus king of Persia says: 5 Then the family heads of Judah and Benjamin, and the priests and Levites容veryone whose heart God had moved用repared to go up and build the house of the LORD in Jerusalem. 6 All their neighbors assisted them with articles of silver and gold, with goods and livestock, and with valuable gifts, in addition to all the freewill offerings. 7 Moreover, King Cyrus brought out the articles belonging to the temple of the LORD, which Nebuchadnezzar had carried away from Jerusalem and had placed in the temple of his god. [ http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezr%201:1-11&version=31;#fen-NIV-12024a" title="See footnote a - a ] 8 Cyrus king of Persia had them brought by Mithredath the treasurer, who counted them out to Sheshbazzar the prince of Judah. 9 This was the inventory: 10 gold bowls 30 11 In all, there were 5,400 articles of gold and of silver. Sheshbazzar brought all these along when the exiles came up from Babylon to Jerusalem. Footnotes:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Is%2045:13&version=31; - 13 I will raise up Cyrus [ http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Is%2045:13&version=31;#fen-NIV-18575a" title="See footnote a - a ] in my righteousness: I will make all his ways straight. He will rebuild my city and set my exiles free, but not for a price or reward, says the LORD Almighty." http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezr%203:7&version=31; - Ezra 3:7 (New International Version) 7
Then they gave money to the masons and carpenters, and gave food and
drink and oil to the people of Sidon and Tyre, so that they would bring
cedar logs by sea from Lebanon to Joppa, as authorized by Cyrus king of
Persia. |
Posted By: Behi
Date Posted: 06-Mar-2006 at 08:59
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Ok, Here: 1 "This is what the LORD says to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand He called "Anointed" & "Right hand"
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in another soureces: Anointed=his appointed king==>his chosen one "Right hand" is Constant
& Anointed=his appointed king=his chosen one==>His Selection
& at last, all of those word are translation of: Then according the Book, He is Christ ------------- |
Posted By: Behi
Date Posted: 06-Mar-2006 at 09:17
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& also: God calls him by name:
& so, Is there 1% possibility, that next time Jews priest, Create somebody with name of Jesus Christ?? Jesus was in Jewish environment 500 years after Cyrus, but Cyrus was in Zartoshtian environment & Maybe without any relation to Jews & far from therir land Was Cyrus the Main Christ??? (I don't going to deny Jesus) I want to say & Proof Cyrus maynot be fake of name some body in Bookle(); ------------- |
Posted By: Behi
Date Posted: 06-Mar-2006 at 09:46
& Another Important part:
as I know Shepherd is title for Prophets, Isn't it?? Did he mention as Prophet whom is God's Christ ( Anointed,appointed king, chosen one, Selection) whom summons by Name whom appoinetd to build God's temple, Whom was rose up with God's righeousness by God whom God have even spoken him whom God made all his ways straight, Leveled mountains broke down gates, Whom God went b4 him & also God's Ally?? Was he a Porophet?? Was he Christ?? Thank you I'm looking for your opinions ------------- |
Posted By: Iranian41ife
Date Posted: 06-Mar-2006 at 16:37
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this actually might makes sense. because he saved the jews. therefore, it is plausible, if you believe in God, that he was sent by God (a Prophet, or Christ) to save teh jews. ------------- "If they attack Iran, of course I will fight. But I will be fighting to defend Iran... my land. I will not be fighting for the government and the nuclear cause." ~ Hamid, veteran of the Iran Iraq War |
Posted By: azimuth
Date Posted: 06-Mar-2006 at 18:41
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moved to the intellectual forum
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Posted By: Super Goat (^_^)
Date Posted: 07-Mar-2006 at 01:08
So is he Jesus or Dhul Qarnain 
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Posted By: Behi
Date Posted: 07-Mar-2006 at 06:09
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Here is about Bible & Dhul Qarnanin is in Quran & so nobody said Jesus ------------- |
Posted By: Behi
Date Posted: 08-Mar-2006 at 15:06
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Nobody has anything to add wow, for 1st time in AE all people agree or .... ------------- |
Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 08-Mar-2006 at 16:02
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I really don't understand what you mean, LoA. Isaiah mentions that Cyrus is favored by Jehovah... so what? Jews were happy about Cyrus, weren't they? some day they will write hyms to Churchill and Stalin... or maybe not.
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NO GOD, NO MASTER! |
Posted By: Behi
Date Posted: 08-Mar-2006 at 16:32
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I don't say Jews like him or not, I said " Was he a Porophet?? Was he Christ??" ------------- |
Posted By: azimuth
Date Posted: 09-Mar-2006 at 02:33
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may be in Judaisim he is considered a Prophet, you need to take a religiouse Jews' opinion here and i think they will tell you what Cyrus considered to them.
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Posted By: Omar al Hashim
Date Posted: 09-Mar-2006 at 04:28
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Possible I think. Parsees were/are considered People of the Book by
some muslims, so it makes sense that there may have been one or more
Prophets sent to them by God. Basically I don't know enough to judge but. ------------- |
Posted By: azimuth
Date Posted: 09-Mar-2006 at 04:35
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i dont think it has anything to do with islam, not all people considered prophets by jews are considered prophets by muslims. there are some prophets jews dont considere as prophets and muslims does.
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Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 09-Mar-2006 at 06:22
He wasnt because all those Judaist books are nothing but a bunch of lies. Was Stalin a prophet? Was Stalin a Christ?  -------------
NO GOD, NO MASTER! |
Posted By: Behi
Date Posted: 09-Mar-2006 at 08:02
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Yes, We need some jews here. & also in the main text of Isaiah, He is Christ, but word changed in translations, Why??!!!! Becuz the Christ must be one man & he is Jesus!!?? or They are waiting for another one!!!??? & also, We don't consider him as Prophet. he consider as Great man & Father of IRan. Iranian had only one prophet & he is Zartosht, also Mani or Mazdak, in history non of them considered as prophet. but other nations prophets were/are respectful for us. @MAju: Yes, maybe there are some lies in books but some people believe that What about Hitler?? he may fullfill all terms ------------- |
Posted By: Loknar
Date Posted: 09-Mar-2006 at 18:06
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So, Maju, do you have anything valuable to add? Your comments are completely reactive to this discussion. We are not discussing if the books are a bunch of lies. And I believe the Bible says that the Son of God would have to come from a descendant of King David. Cyrus to my knowledge is not a descendant of King David. |
Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 09-Mar-2006 at 18:29
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What discussion? It was more a monologue of LoA with a few comments. I wanted to give my opinion, once I found what was all about. This is "intelectual discussion", not theological ranting.  -------------
NO GOD, NO MASTER! |
Posted By: Loknar
Date Posted: 09-Mar-2006 at 19:49
| Yes but you have a habit of doing such things. If religion bothers you so much then ignore it. |
Posted By: Behi
Date Posted: 18-Mar-2006 at 14:45
Cyrus never mentioned as God's Son, as I know. ------------- |
Posted By: azimuth
Date Posted: 18-Mar-2006 at 20:17
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ok i asked some jews about cyrus, he is not a prophet in judaisim , he is considered only a good persian king. -------------
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Posted By: ramin
Date Posted: 18-Mar-2006 at 20:23
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Posted By: Loknar
Date Posted: 19-Mar-2006 at 04:12
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Of course it is his right. But sheez, his comments serve no purpose. He is deeply offended by religion so I was merely suggesting he avoid such topics. |
Posted By: Behi
Date Posted: 19-Mar-2006 at 19:08
it's about me or MAju !!????!! ------------- |
Posted By: Behi
Date Posted: 19-Mar-2006 at 19:09
I know, I meant in ancient times ------------- |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 30-Oct-2011 at 21:42
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To me, this sounds like propaganda as prominent Jews sought to justify his rule as the new king of Israel by establishing a link with the ancient kings. It seems to have been successful as Cyrus is remembered as a virtuous king, despite being a gentile ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 30-Oct-2011 at 22:52
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My ole friend is spot on here. As that is exactly the reason why he was held in and remains in high esteem. He and his successors (not often remembered) allowed for a re-emergence of an ancient Jewish state and religion in the region. Although the term ''propaganda'' might be substituted with 'justification' ie. legal and royal precedent and prerogative (merely me ya understand). Why? Is another tale for another time as far as my personal participation is concerned.I remain satisfied with this...... Thus says the Lord to his anointed, to Cyrus, whom he has taken by his right hand to subdue nations before him and strip the loins of kings, to force gateways before him that their gates be closed no more: I will go before you levelling the heights. I will shatter the bronze gateways, smash the iron bars. I will give you the hidden treasures, the secret hoards, that you may know that I am the Lord. (Isaiah 45:1-3)
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Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 05-Dec-2013 at 02:29
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I think this old site deserves some more attention! So, I would suggest that you read it, and then respond.
Regards, Ron ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |