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Kalevipoeg
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Topic: December 26th: End of the Soviet Union Posted: 16-Jan-2006 at 18:18 |
But if you really really tried, you could keep yourself busy by reading
socialist-realistic pieces of literature, watch national television all
day, learn true history and that all together would keep you a
patriotic worker for a good period of time - you could really make the
magic work here people.
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Maju
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Posted: 17-Jan-2006 at 07:46 |
Originally posted by Mosquito
It is sad Maju that you dont realise the fact, that if
the Basque people were living within the borders of USSR, most of them
would end in Gulags, their culture and language would have been
destroyed, but wait, they would have had free healthcare
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We have free universal healthcare now but that's a recent developement.
Instead of living at the borders of the Soviet Union, where maybe we
would have been assigned an autonomous republic or at least an oblast,
we were suffering the fascist ditatorship of France who indeed killed
many, exiled more and destroyed our culture and autonomy a little bit
more than before, if that was possible.
We have also to bear the republican French nationalism with its
artificial homogenizing nature, which is as unhealthy and anti-Basque
that they don't even allow us to have a department of our own, having
forced the union with Bearne since the French Revolution.
I can tell you we are not happy with our capitalist neghbours and opressors.
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Richard XIII
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Posted: 17-Jan-2006 at 08:42 |
But not dead like members of my family.
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...the rest are details."
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Nagyfejedelem
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Posted: 17-Jan-2006 at 12:04 |
Actually I have an own personal opinion because my grandfather was impromised. However life in Hungary was better than in other Communist countries it doesn't make me happier.
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Posted: 17-Jan-2006 at 15:41 |
Achtung! Achtung!
Mobilmachung gegen die Sowjetunion!
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Maju
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Posted: 17-Jan-2006 at 15:43 |
Originally posted by Richard XIII
But not dead like members of my family.
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Or yes. Don't talk so fast: I know enough people, not necessarily,
Basque who lost their grandfather in the fascist ideological
cleansings. It's not something that is spoken about too much because
Spain prefers to ignore its past but mass graves and individual ones
from the behind-the-front cleansing operations are still being found -
many in the Basque Country. Whole areas were simply cleansed from any
"red" (read republican or nationalist as well) element who didn't
manage to escape (and most didn't). It's estimated that about one
million people died in all Spain in the war - and most were killed
behind the lines.
But in the subsequent darkest period of fascist regime (almost 40
years!) violent control by the state was total. My aunt, who is from
near the border with Portugal and was teacher in Ondarroa in the
francoist era witnessed how one of her kids, who dared to call
"txakurra" (dog) to a Guardia Civil (military police corps), was
arrested and went out of the police station dead. Inccidents like that
one were common... till one day Basques started retaliating and soon:
Voil! Here you have a flamant military tuitioned democracy... but
watch out paramilitary gangs were active till the 90s. The uncle of my
neighbour was one of the many killed. So many others have been impunely
tortured, threatened...
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Temujin
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Posted: 17-Jan-2006 at 15:55 |
Originally posted by Maju
or at least an oblast |
administrative districts that include a national minority are called kraiy, not oblast. oblast is just used only for districts inhabtied by Russians.
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TheDiplomat
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Posted: 20-Jan-2006 at 11:15 |
FOR THOSE WHO WISH TO SEE EARLY SOVIET YEARS:1918-1945
YOUR EXPERT ON RUSSIAN HISTORY WILL HELP AS BELOW:
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Posted: 20-Jan-2006 at 13:27 |
I don't want to be too provocative, but how many forumers have been in the USSR and experienced there?
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Kalevipoeg
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Posted: 20-Jan-2006 at 14:09 |
I basically lived there for 4 years (until i was 4 years old ),
and remember the red 10 ruble bill with Lenin picture on it, but my
ancestors gave a good overview what was going on with us under USSR and
how the happy family of the bretheren republics lived.
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ulrich von hutten
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Posted: 20-Jan-2006 at 14:47 |
you mustn't have lived on the mars ,to know that human life is impossible there.
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Posted: 20-Jan-2006 at 15:38 |
true indeed
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Posted: 20-Jan-2006 at 16:05 |
In mars?
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ulrich von hutten
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Posted: 20-Jan-2006 at 16:30 |
yep ,or pluto or anyway else. i only want to say , you belive in
the excistence of the mars ,without beeing there ever, do you ? i
mustn't have been in the ussr ,to have an opinion about that , right ?
i din't live in nazi germany ,but i know a lot of it . i'm able to read ,watch ,hear and taste.
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Kalevipoeg
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Posted: 21-Jan-2006 at 07:30 |
It wasn't quite impossible, you could get anything for a bottle of
vodka, and if we wanted sausage or other meat stuff for a birthday in
the family we just had to wink at the local shopkeeper (who was in good
relations with us) and maybe in three months when the bithrday was due,
she slipped you some.
And how do you people think i got to live in this house where from i am typing this post - did we BUY the materials for it? NO! It all depended on where you worked and who you knew and that is exactly what benefits you got for yourself.
And when abroad, you often had a snoop with you, be it the tour guide
who visited the local KGB station after the trip or one of your trip
mates. On solo trips your destination was more likely a bretherin
republic, hardly France, Canada. You could just bring back evil
thoughts from there, who knew huh? Maybe the citizen of USSR would have
gone mentally insane when seeing a store more then half full of
everything.
The Russian paranoia was insane and quite illogical, and bloody hilarious when thinking about it now.
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