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Isbul
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Topic: December 26th: End of the Soviet Union Posted: 04-Jan-2006 at 16:11 |
Firstly i said almost all.
All these riots cause a bit destabilization only for a year and after that all is back to normal.And they didnt have any effects on the way of live of the majority of the population even that they, for a year or less, caused some thouble
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Posted: 04-Jan-2006 at 16:32 |
You are natural born slave. Your master just have to give you food, cloth and place to live and you are happy. The word "Honor" belongs to categorry of this words which you know only from dictionary.
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Isbul
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Posted: 04-Jan-2006 at 16:36 |
huh, waited 20 min for reply and this is all you can think of.
I'm very disapointed really
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Posted: 04-Jan-2006 at 16:45 |
Doesnt matter if you are dissapointed or not. Judging after your posts it is obvious. You can ignore all the facts, all the blood and suffering of millions of people. Everything is ok as long as you eat well and got job.
On the other hand i shouldnt have been surprised. Commies have never showned any honor in any case.
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"I am a pure-blooded Polish nobleman, without a single drop of bad blood, certainly not German blood" - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Posted: 04-Jan-2006 at 17:02 |
You are judging people who done something in some situation while dont think what will happen if someone else is on thier place.how they will maneged to rule the country, how will they threat the peple........
And today much people are suffering(living in the streets and sleeping in muddy pits,tring to get a scrab of money so that they can feed their children while so called busnesmans are stockpiling riches) aswell
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Maju
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Posted: 04-Jan-2006 at 20:30 |
Well said, Subotai: if for anything Socialism is admired is precisely
for preventing succesfully the abjection of misery. We can talk all we
want about gulags and so on, but there are other many million ways you
can kill (and torture) a person, as Brecht said.
But Capitalists are so hypocritical that they just shrug, say it's the
victim's fault, talk about "natural selection" (forgetting about the
social nature of the human species) or "divine design" (forgetting
about the commandements about love and compassion), and look elsewhere.
Gulags are worse than widespread misery? Maybe but maybe not. Ideally none of the two should exist.
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Posted: 05-Jan-2006 at 05:42 |
But Capitalists are so hypocritical that they just shrug, say it's the victim's fault, talk about "natural selection" (forgetting about the social nature of the human species) or "divine design" (forgetting about the commandements about love and compassion), and look elsewhere.
Gulags are worse than widespread misery? Maybe but maybe not. Ideally none of the two should exist. |
You make it sound like 'Socialist Gulag vs Capitalist barbarism'. In reality Gulags are not implicit in a Socialist system, there were many Socialist countries without such camps, and USSR had no Gulags after Stalin. Besides, the Gulag system was already in place during Tsars' time in Russia, and we see it in many Capitalist countries in history. Penal colonies, work camps, concentration camps, and extermination camps are all Capitalist or pre-Capitalist 'innovations'.
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Posted: 05-Jan-2006 at 06:27 |
Of course, you are right Beylerbeyi, but I couldn't help it, considering the tone of the discussion.
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Posted: 05-Jan-2006 at 06:32 |
The right of employment is a human right.Capitalism cannot function without depriving this fundamental right.
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Posted: 05-Jan-2006 at 14:01 |
you said gulags are not part of socialist ideology, of course they are not, but how are they supposed to be part of capitalist ideology? gulags and death camps are ideologically unaffiliated, every oppressive government uses them as they want to.
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Posted: 05-Jan-2006 at 17:22 |
Besides, the Gulag system was already in place during Tsars' time in Russia, and we see it in many Capitalist countries in history. Penal colonies, work camps, concentration camps, and extermination camps are all Capitalist or pre-Capitalist 'innovations'. |
Again false statement. Gulag system was instroduced by soviets. This what was in times of tsars cannot be even compared to soviet gulag system. Im the last person who would defend russian tsars but it is fact.
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Posted: 05-Jan-2006 at 18:25 |
you said gulags are not part of socialist ideology, of course they are not, but how are they supposed to be part of capitalist ideology? |
I don't know? This is not my claim. My point is that some people are speaking as if labour camps were part of Leninist ideology because Stalin had gulags. But they ignore the fact all such camps predated Leninists.
Gulags and death camps are ideologically unaffiliated, every oppressive government uses them as they want to. |
Yes.
Again false statement. Gulag system was instroduced by soviets. This what was in times of tsars cannot be even compared to soviet gulag system. Im the last person who would defend russian tsars but it is fact. |
Yes, the labour camps in Siberia were called something else at the time...
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Posted: 06-Jan-2006 at 16:46 |
Im leaving for ski so you guys can continue your talk about how cool USSR was without being interrupted by such bloody reactionist like me. Good luck.
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Posted: 06-Jan-2006 at 17:03 |
Originally posted by Mosquito
Im leaving for ski so you guys can continue your talk about how cool USSR was without being interrupted by such bloody reactionist like me. Good luck. |
Have fun!
If you still are a member of AE when you return after your well deserved holiday, is currently being discussed by AE's hardline Stalinist leadership.
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Posted: 06-Jan-2006 at 18:10 |
that's typical. the workingclass has to work hard to earn it's living
,while the leadership spend some nice days with skiing . this would't
have happend in socialism.
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Posted: 16-Jan-2006 at 12:32 |
What makes me surprised, Communism is more popular in West than in the East.
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Posted: 16-Jan-2006 at 15:49 |
Thanks Kommnenos, i had a lot of fun
What makes me surprised, Communism is more popular in West than in the East. |
Actually it makes sence. Those who didnt test it may live with illusions. Except for Bulgarians who enjoyed it (probably together with the East Germans).
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Posted: 16-Jan-2006 at 16:13 |
Originally posted by Nagyfejedelem
What makes me surprised, Communism is more popular in West than in the East. |
Welcome to the West!
As a local punk band chanted:
Originally posted by La Polla Records
Come jumping over the Berlin Wall,
come to this free world simling,
soon you will see with your tired eyes
our holy freedom.
Chorus:
I will tell you the truth: what do you come for?
I will tell you the truth: there's nowhere to flee! (Run away!)
From East to West you run away
and in the west: deception! (Run away!)
(Chorus)
In this paradise live is a hell (Run away!)
what's up with you kid: crying?
When are you going to realize
that the wall is a big lie?
(Chorus)
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And you are pretty lucky of having fallen on your feet inside EU, think
in all the peoples that are left outside of the excussive privileged
economic areas of the North, think in the many many that are daily
trying to jump over the other walls at Ceuta, at Tijuana, etc.
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Posted: 16-Jan-2006 at 16:36 |
Reading these posts while Slayers "Angel of death" is rumbling in my
ears, makes a very morbid scenery. Supporting the Third Reich shouldn't
be a problem here for some of these guys. The bloodier rulers are
already prefered i see, what is Hitler but just a school boy next to
his eastern teachers.
And i don't think tzarist camps are anything comparable to GULAGs. The
number of the camps was far greater and i don't think the tzarist
soldiers left you naked outside for thumb-sized mosquitos to literally
eat you alive or make you run inside snow with your bare feet for
rehabilitating reasons. The GULAG was basically a place where every
guard had the right to live his wildest fantasies off of you. Every
peasant got to hold power there if he had enough heart to kill random
people.
The GULAG is an evolved state of the childish tzarist camp system,
don't put them in the same category, it is funny in a very sad sad way.
The Soviet Union was a state ruled by blood what are you actually
refering to as good there - free medical care and the fact that you
were taken off the streets and put to work? I think The Third Reich
cured a lot of unemployment for the populous there after the economical
crash, the nazis are still the sickest of sick, i so not see the logic
here? I don't accept the death of thousands of my people for the chance
the USSR got to destroy our peasant culture for a ridiculous
collectivization project that failed its utopic ideals in every way.
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Posted: 16-Jan-2006 at 17:13 |
It is sad Maju that you dont realise the fact, that if the Basque people were living within the borders of USSR, most of them would end in Gulags, their culture and language would have been destroyed, but wait, they would have had free healthcare .... except those in Gulags ....
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