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Kalevipoeg
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Topic: December 26th: End of the Soviet Union Posted: 21-Jan-2006 at 07:30 |
It wasn't quite impossible, you could get anything for a bottle of
vodka, and if we wanted sausage or other meat stuff for a birthday in
the family we just had to wink at the local shopkeeper (who was in good
relations with us) and maybe in three months when the bithrday was due,
she slipped you some.
And how do you people think i got to live in this house where from i am typing this post - did we BUY the materials for it? NO! It all depended on where you worked and who you knew and that is exactly what benefits you got for yourself.
And when abroad, you often had a snoop with you, be it the tour guide
who visited the local KGB station after the trip or one of your trip
mates. On solo trips your destination was more likely a bretherin
republic, hardly France, Canada. You could just bring back evil
thoughts from there, who knew huh? Maybe the citizen of USSR would have
gone mentally insane when seeing a store more then half full of
everything.
The Russian paranoia was insane and quite illogical, and bloody hilarious when thinking about it now.
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ulrich von hutten
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Posted: 20-Jan-2006 at 16:30 |
yep ,or pluto or anyway else. i only want to say , you belive in
the excistence of the mars ,without beeing there ever, do you ? i
mustn't have been in the ussr ,to have an opinion about that , right ?
i din't live in nazi germany ,but i know a lot of it . i'm able to read ,watch ,hear and taste.
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Posted: 20-Jan-2006 at 16:05 |
In mars?
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Posted: 20-Jan-2006 at 15:38 |
true indeed
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ulrich von hutten
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Posted: 20-Jan-2006 at 14:47 |
you mustn't have lived on the mars ,to know that human life is impossible there.
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Kalevipoeg
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Posted: 20-Jan-2006 at 14:09 |
I basically lived there for 4 years (until i was 4 years old ),
and remember the red 10 ruble bill with Lenin picture on it, but my
ancestors gave a good overview what was going on with us under USSR and
how the happy family of the bretheren republics lived.
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Posted: 20-Jan-2006 at 13:27 |
I don't want to be too provocative, but how many forumers have been in the USSR and experienced there?
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Posted: 20-Jan-2006 at 11:15 |
FOR THOSE WHO WISH TO SEE EARLY SOVIET YEARS:1918-1945
YOUR EXPERT ON RUSSIAN HISTORY WILL HELP AS BELOW:
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Posted: 17-Jan-2006 at 15:55 |
Originally posted by Maju
or at least an oblast |
administrative districts that include a national minority are called kraiy, not oblast. oblast is just used only for districts inhabtied by Russians.
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Posted: 17-Jan-2006 at 15:43 |
Originally posted by Richard XIII
But not dead like members of my family.
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Or yes. Don't talk so fast: I know enough people, not necessarily,
Basque who lost their grandfather in the fascist ideological
cleansings. It's not something that is spoken about too much because
Spain prefers to ignore its past but mass graves and individual ones
from the behind-the-front cleansing operations are still being found -
many in the Basque Country. Whole areas were simply cleansed from any
"red" (read republican or nationalist as well) element who didn't
manage to escape (and most didn't). It's estimated that about one
million people died in all Spain in the war - and most were killed
behind the lines.
But in the subsequent darkest period of fascist regime (almost 40
years!) violent control by the state was total. My aunt, who is from
near the border with Portugal and was teacher in Ondarroa in the
francoist era witnessed how one of her kids, who dared to call
"txakurra" (dog) to a Guardia Civil (military police corps), was
arrested and went out of the police station dead. Inccidents like that
one were common... till one day Basques started retaliating and soon:
Voil! Here you have a flamant military tuitioned democracy... but
watch out paramilitary gangs were active till the 90s. The uncle of my
neighbour was one of the many killed. So many others have been impunely
tortured, threatened...
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Posted: 17-Jan-2006 at 15:41 |
Achtung! Achtung!
Mobilmachung gegen die Sowjetunion!
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Posted: 17-Jan-2006 at 12:04 |
Actually I have an own personal opinion because my grandfather was impromised. However life in Hungary was better than in other Communist countries it doesn't make me happier.
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Posted: 17-Jan-2006 at 08:42 |
But not dead like members of my family.
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Posted: 17-Jan-2006 at 07:46 |
Originally posted by Mosquito
It is sad Maju that you dont realise the fact, that if
the Basque people were living within the borders of USSR, most of them
would end in Gulags, their culture and language would have been
destroyed, but wait, they would have had free healthcare
.... except those in Gulags .... |
We have free universal healthcare now but that's a recent developement.
Instead of living at the borders of the Soviet Union, where maybe we
would have been assigned an autonomous republic or at least an oblast,
we were suffering the fascist ditatorship of France who indeed killed
many, exiled more and destroyed our culture and autonomy a little bit
more than before, if that was possible.
We have also to bear the republican French nationalism with its
artificial homogenizing nature, which is as unhealthy and anti-Basque
that they don't even allow us to have a department of our own, having
forced the union with Bearne since the French Revolution.
I can tell you we are not happy with our capitalist neghbours and opressors.
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Posted: 16-Jan-2006 at 18:18 |
But if you really really tried, you could keep yourself busy by reading
socialist-realistic pieces of literature, watch national television all
day, learn true history and that all together would keep you a
patriotic worker for a good period of time - you could really make the
magic work here people.
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Posted: 16-Jan-2006 at 17:13 |
It is sad Maju that you dont realise the fact, that if the Basque people were living within the borders of USSR, most of them would end in Gulags, their culture and language would have been destroyed, but wait, they would have had free healthcare .... except those in Gulags ....
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Posted: 16-Jan-2006 at 16:36 |
Reading these posts while Slayers "Angel of death" is rumbling in my
ears, makes a very morbid scenery. Supporting the Third Reich shouldn't
be a problem here for some of these guys. The bloodier rulers are
already prefered i see, what is Hitler but just a school boy next to
his eastern teachers.
And i don't think tzarist camps are anything comparable to GULAGs. The
number of the camps was far greater and i don't think the tzarist
soldiers left you naked outside for thumb-sized mosquitos to literally
eat you alive or make you run inside snow with your bare feet for
rehabilitating reasons. The GULAG was basically a place where every
guard had the right to live his wildest fantasies off of you. Every
peasant got to hold power there if he had enough heart to kill random
people.
The GULAG is an evolved state of the childish tzarist camp system,
don't put them in the same category, it is funny in a very sad sad way.
The Soviet Union was a state ruled by blood what are you actually
refering to as good there - free medical care and the fact that you
were taken off the streets and put to work? I think The Third Reich
cured a lot of unemployment for the populous there after the economical
crash, the nazis are still the sickest of sick, i so not see the logic
here? I don't accept the death of thousands of my people for the chance
the USSR got to destroy our peasant culture for a ridiculous
collectivization project that failed its utopic ideals in every way.
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Posted: 16-Jan-2006 at 16:13 |
Originally posted by Nagyfejedelem
What makes me surprised, Communism is more popular in West than in the East. |
Welcome to the West!
As a local punk band chanted:
Originally posted by La Polla Records
Come jumping over the Berlin Wall,
come to this free world simling,
soon you will see with your tired eyes
our holy freedom.
Chorus:
I will tell you the truth: what do you come for?
I will tell you the truth: there's nowhere to flee! (Run away!)
From East to West you run away
and in the west: deception! (Run away!)
(Chorus)
In this paradise live is a hell (Run away!)
what's up with you kid: crying?
When are you going to realize
that the wall is a big lie?
(Chorus)
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And you are pretty lucky of having fallen on your feet inside EU, think
in all the peoples that are left outside of the excussive privileged
economic areas of the North, think in the many many that are daily
trying to jump over the other walls at Ceuta, at Tijuana, etc.
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Posted: 16-Jan-2006 at 15:49 |
Thanks Kommnenos, i had a lot of fun
What makes me surprised, Communism is more popular in West than in the East. |
Actually it makes sence. Those who didnt test it may live with illusions. Except for Bulgarians who enjoyed it (probably together with the East Germans).
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Posted: 16-Jan-2006 at 12:32 |
What makes me surprised, Communism is more popular in West than in the East.
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