QuoteReplyTopic: Brief History of Yugoslavia Posted: 15-Dec-2005 at 16:15
The Yugoslavia which emerged from World War II was a six republic federation. From north-west to south east, the political entities were Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Serbia, Montenegro and Macedonia.
At various times during the past millennium, the country know known as Yugoslavia, and its surrounding countries, straddled the borders of three faith groups: Islam, Orthodox Christianity, and Roman Catholicism. Various sources give conflicting stories of the area's past. The following is our initial attempt at describing the history of Yugoslavia. Although this data came from usually reliable sources, we are uncertain about its reliability. We will attempt to improve this in the near future:
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Prior to 6th century CE: Kosovo and the surrounding area were occupied by the Illyrian people, who became present-day Albanians.
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6th & 7th centuries CE: The Serbs arrived in Kosovo and the surrounding area.
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12 & 13th century: Rastko (1174-1236 CE) created the first Serbian national church. After a brief alliance with Rome, the church became part of Orthodox Christianity.
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14th century: The Ottoman Turks conquered what is now Yugoslavia at the Battle of Kosovo in the Field of Blackbirds in 1389 CE. Serbian Prince Lazar could have avoided the conflict by agreeing to pay tribute to Murad I, the Turkish Sultan. However, Lazar and his army rejected this option. They swore the Kosovo Covenant. This committed them to fight to the death of the last man rather than submit to control from a foreign power. Islam was introduced by the Turks during their occupation.
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15th century: Muslim influence was extended to Bosnia-Herzegovina. Islam expanded accordingly.
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16th century: Slovenia and Croatia came under the influence of Austria. Roman Catholicism was introduced. Thousands of Serbs were forcibly relocated to the Croatian border with Bosnia.
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19th century: After Russia defeated the Turks, Serbia was granted independence. But Kosovo and Macedonia remained under the control of the Turks. The Austro-Hungarians got control of Bosnia-Herzegovina and retained Croatia and Slovenia.
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Pre-World War II: With the disintegration of the Austro-Hungarian empire, the collapse of the Ottoman empire, and the conclusion of World War I, Yugoslavia became a kingdom under King Alexander. His dictatorship included Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Serbia, Montenegro and Macedonia. A fascist separatist movement, the Ustase, was established by the Croats to promote their independence.
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World War II: The Nazis over-ran Yugoslavia. The country was partitioned. The fascist Ustashe (Croatians; primarily Roman Catholics) established a puppet Nazi state, which included Slovenia, Croatia and Bosnia-Herzegovina. Large numbers of Serbian Orthodox believers, Jews and Roma (Gypsies) were exterminated. The killings were perpetrated by the Nazis, the Ustashe, and occasionally by the Bosnian Muslims. The 21st division of the German Waffen SS was recruited almost entirely from ethnic Albanians. "In the winter of 1944-45 it carried out the last ethnic cleansing exercise of the war. It did this in Kosovo, against the Serbs." 3During the war, Jews were relatively safe in Bosnia. The Bosnian Serbs largely protected them from the Holocaust. A civil war followed World War II; as many as 1 million Yugoslavs were killed.
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1945 to 1980: Joseph Tito unified the 6 republics into a communist dictatorship, independent of Russia. He was able to suppress religious and cultural rivalries among the Roman Catholics, Serbian Orthodox and Muslims during his lifetime. But, as noted in the quotation at the start of this essay, no concerted attempt was made by the political or religious leaders to settle centuries-old religious hatreds. An opportunity was missed that might have avoided (or reduced) ethnic cleansing and genocide during the 1990's.
Tito angered the Serbs by granting autonomy to the north-eastern province of Vojvodina and the southern province of Kosovo in 1974.
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1980's: Tito died in 1980. In 1987, while investigating allegations that the minority Serbs in Kosovo were being attacked by the ethnic Albanian majority, Slobodan Milosevic had promised his fellow Serbs that "No one will ever beat you again." Milosevic quickly became a Serbian hero, and was able to force changes to the Yugoslav constitution through its Parliament in 1989. 2This terminated the autonomous status of the provinces of Vojvodina (in the north) and Kosovo (in the south). Milosevic "removed Kosovo's autonomy, established direct Serbian rule over the province, expelled the Albanians from the Kosovo parliament, the state bureaucracy, and state owned industries, and closed the state-run school system and most of the medical system to them." The Albanians in Kosovo became a majority with few rights in their own country. Leading Kosovo intellectual, Ibrahim Rogova, promoted a nonviolent approach to resolve the system of Apartheid under which they were persecuted.
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1990's: The unravelling of Yugoslavia accellerated.
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1990: The north-west province of Slovenia voted the Communist party out of office. Slovenia won its independence from the rest of Yugoslavia in 1991.
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1991: Croatia made a bid for independence. Croats and Serbs started a civil war. The U.N. assisted in establishing a cease-fire, starting in 1992.
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1991: Macedonia declared independence. It was admitted to the UN under a provisional name in 1993, and was recognized by the U.S. and Russia in 1994.
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1992: Bosnia declared independence. A civil war among the Croats, Serbs and Muslims erupted. The world was horrified by new images of starving prisoners in concentration camps. The civilian population was heavily targeted by armies on all sides. Hans Kng and Karl-Josef Kuschel commented: "Similarly, there is no doubt that the Catholic and Orthodox churches in particular have identified themselves all too much with their own political leadership in the most recent controversies and not made a commitment for peace openly, opportunely and energetically." 1
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1995: The Dayton Accord, brokered by the U.S., established a fragile peace in Bosnia-Herzegovina. Representatives from Kosovo were excluded from the talks. It probably would not have been possible to get the principal parties in the Bosnian conflict to the Dayton bargaining table if Kosovo was on the agenda. The conflicts in Kosovo was not discussed; "Rugova's nonviolent strategy lost its credibility." 2
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1996-7: Following the Dayton Accord, many ethnic Albanians in Kosovo decided that their nonviolent approach was getting nowhere. The Kosovo Liberation Army began a guerrilla campaign.
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1998: The situation had become critical. The Serb army destroyed several villages in Kosovo in order to evaluate Western reaction. The West responded with "rhetoric and...meetings," 2but no credible threats. The Yugoslavian government then escalated the conflict.
Yugoslavia has been gradually disintegrating since the death of Tito. The country lost much of its territory and population during the 1990's as Slovenia, Croatia, Macedonia and Bosnia-Herzegovina achieved independence. As of 1999-APR, Yugoslavia consists of only four provinces: Vojvodina, Serbia, Montenegro and Kosovo. Montenegro has a large degree of local autonomy. The government and Serbian people of Yugoslavia are totally opposed to losing any more territory to independence or autonomy movements. This has recently led to a massive civil war in Kosovo, and a (currently) lower-scale program of ethnic cleansing in Vojavadina.
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"...the peace negotiations between the Orthodox [Christian] Serbs, the Catholic Croats and the Muslim Bosnians had collapsed again. And there is no doubt that the religions that are so involved here had neglected in the period of more than forty years since the Second World War to engage in mourning, honestly confess the crimes which had been committed by all sides in the course of the centuries, and ask one another for mutual forgiveness....I think there can be no peace among the nations without peace among the religions!" Hans Kng and Karl-Josef Kuschel, commenting in 1993 on conflict within the former Yugoslavia. 1
The Ottoman info is pretty flawed though. At the battle of Kosovo
Polje only Serbia - a kingdom with no formal king - had been subjected
to vassalage to the turks. The Bosnian king himself had declared
himself king of serbia around that time and there were two kings
himself and the serbian prince. The Bosnian kingdom did not fall
until 1463 and its captial city not until 1525. Furthermore, Croatia
which had been a part of the Hungarian kingdom did not fall untill
around that time either. That is more like the fifteenth and sixteenth
centuries as opposed to serbia in the fourteenth. Serbia is not
the only part of jugoslavija
I'd agree with most of what was written here, except one part related to the holocaust.
Jews were certainly not safe in Bosnia, more than 80 per cent of
Bosnia's Jews were killed. And they were saved by no side in particular
as they had fairly equal relations with all people, but as an aside
note - 27 of Bosnia and Herzegovina's 34 "Declarations of
Righteousness" issued to Bosnian citizens for saving Jews, or Jewish
heritage, during the holocaust went to Bosniaks.
The history of medieval Croatia is completely missing from this scheme.
Originally posted by ill_teknique
The Ottoman info is pretty flawed though. At the battle of Kosovo Polje only Serbia - a kingdom with no formal king - had been subjected to vassalage to the turks. The Bosnian king himself had declared himself king of serbia around that time and there were two kings himself and the serbian prince. The Bosnian kingdom did not fall until 1463 and its captial city not until 1525. Furthermore, Croatia which had been a part of the Hungarian kingdom did not fall untill around that time either. That is more like the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries as opposed to serbia in the fourteenth. Serbia is not the only part of jugoslavija
More accurately Croatia was part of the Hungarian realm, but not the kingdom.
"At various times during the past millennium, the country know known as Yugoslavia, and its surrounding countries, straddled the borders of three faith groups: Islam, Orthodox Christianity, and Roman Catholicism. "
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"...religious identity has been present constantly in the antagonisms that have fragmented the Balkans for centuries - setting neighbor against neighbor, Muslims against Orthodox Christians, and Orthodox Christians against Western Christians..." 20
I too would like to build on the facts of these religious in Yugoslavia:
Yougoslavia's problems in the 1990's were due to the conflicts between three faiths: the Orthodox Cristians who were known as the Serbs, the Roman Catholics who were known as the Croats, and the Muslim Bosnians.
Bosnians, were converted in large groups by the Ottoman Empire. Albania also largly Muslim populated country. Bosnia's mass conversion was a bit of a mystery. Bosnia was a country that was dedicated to the religion of Christianity, even a church that was out of the reach of Catholic and Orthodox Churches was created in Bosnia in the 11th century. The religion was a little unstable when the 15th century raid of the Ottoman's occured.The Ottomans were not interested into converting the Christian people that they governed into Muslims. Scholars dismissed the facts that the migration of Muslims to Bosnia after the Turks raided it could have had an influence on it. Later, the Turks found out that there was very little travel there at all. The conversion was due to the Bosnians who already converted to Islam spreading the faith to other Bosnians. The conversion was very steady because from the years 1468-1469, the Cristians were outnumbering the Muslims by more than 115-20 to 1. But the Muslim faith kept on growing. In the year 1485 the number of muslims were swelling greatly, but the Cristians were still outnumbering them 2 to 1. The muslim faith kept on growing untill the 1600's were Bosnia was a country the mostly populated by Muslims.
The Serbs were introduced to Christianity shortly after they traveled to the Balkans (which is a geographical term for the area of south-eastern Europe). This conversion happened before an event called the Great Schism. The Great Schism caused the Cristian Church to split in to two divisions: The Latin speaking Roman Catholics and the Greek-speaking Eastern Orthodox. With the splitting of this great religion was the splitting of the Serbs. Some converted to the church of the Eastern Orthodox, and some converted to the church of the Roman Catholics. Saint Sava who in the 13th century was the first Archbishop of Serbia, and was also the brother of the first serbian King: Stefan Prvovencani, helped to establish the Eastern Orthodox Church as an independant church on the year 1219. Their current language is: Serbian, and Church Slavonic. The current population of Serbs is about 15 million.
The Roman Catholics in Yugoslavia also had a large population, almost 7 500 000 catholics. The were mainly Croats, Solvenes, Hungarians,and Albanians. They were once one with the Eastern Orthodox Church, but the separated due to the Great Schism. The Roman Catholic Church in Yugoslavia had 8 archbishoprics, 13 bishoprics, 2702 parishes, 182 monasteries, 415 convents, 4,100 priests, 1,400 monks, and 6,600 nuns.
These three religions had a major impact on the history of Yugoslavia. They will leave and imprint on the Balkans.
What were the relations between Mislim and Christian Bosnians back then? Before the country was 100 % Muslim how did Christian Bosnians accept their compatriots' conversion? In Bulgaria Muslimised Bulgarians (Pomaks) were mistrusted and still live pretty much isolated. Some Bulgarians perhaps even tend to view them as traitors, but this is not justified, because in Bulgaria the conversion to Islam was forceful. So how were things in Bosnia?
Bulgarian so why didnt others converted?Greeks,bulgarians, serbs, armenians but only a small minority of bulgarians? what type of forcefully conversion is this? It let main part of population to live his old religion, and only forcefully convert a minority.
By the way, when main conversion is happening ottomans were ruling bosnia, I dont think christians had much voice, against this conversions.
The others didn't convert, because the Ottomans didn't force them to. And they didn't force them to, because it wouldn't be profitable. Muslims had very little taxes, Christians - a lot. If everybody becomes Muslim who is going to pay taxes? The Ottomans needed only a small number of Pomaks to divide the Bulgarians. Divide and conquer, as they say. But the Bosnians for some reason decided to convert voluntarily and the Ottomans couldn't deny them that, although it wasn't much for their benefit. The Bulgarians simply turned out better Christians than the Bosnians. They held on to their religion no matter the hardship. Many people were executed in the Rhodope mountains (where the Pomaks live) for not wanting to convert.
bulgarian ottomans had different tactics for divide and conquerer thing, and It is not conversion, they had mostly mass exiled the rebellions.Specialy Turkish rebellions. They had already orthodox church at their hand, and this muslim bulgarians not have enough number or power to divide bulgarian nation. If their aim was this, they should convert more bulgarians.
most of bosnians and albanians converted, but not even a minority of bulgarians didnt converted by peacifully? is this sensible?
I think, Instead of finding a reason for their so-called guilty like "yeah they converted, but they were forced to it. So they are innocent", You should accept them as Muslim bulgarians. Convertion is not a guilt. If your people dont accept this, a most weird asimilation would happen, This bulgarian muslims would be turkified, at a bulgarian ruled country.
And If I am not wrong, already some of them call themself as Turk. You should learn something from albanians, I dont think any muslim albanian refuse christian ones, and I dont know much albanian who call themself as greek.(most probably If you call them as greek, you would just get a punch)
Mortaza, my knowledge on this matter by far excedes yours. A man is a product of his upbringing. You tend to view the Ottomans as peacefull rulers, and have begun to prove me this even before I've said otherwise. I'm not accusing them of anything. I don't care how the Pomaks were converted. It hapened 600 years ago.
But you said something very true. Sometimes it's hard for Bulgarians to except their Muslim compatriots and they are becoming increasingly Turkified. I'm speaking for those in the Rhodope mountains. They are pretty isolated there. The ones in Southwestern Bulgaria live among the Christian Bulgarians and are slowly converting to Christianity once more. I think there's a dangerous process going on in the Rhodopes. I've heard all sorts of stories about radical islamist missionaries preaching there. Most people really don't know what's going on in there. The state should really do something about the integration of these people, it's a shame how Bulgarians are being devided.
again you are talking about "The ones in Southwestern Bulgaria live among the Christian Bulgarians and are slowly converting to Christianity once more."
you should accept them with their religion. Converting christianity should not be a sign of integration.
again you are talking about "The ones in Southwestern Bulgaria live among the Christian Bulgarians and are slowly converting to Christianity once more."
you should accept them with their religion.
Converting christianity should not be a sign of integration.
I agree with Mortaza.
Bulgarian, Islamic associations in Bosnia and Herzegovina have
formed significant partnerships with other associations in the Balkans
- the Bosniak National Council of Serbia, Islam Montenegro, Croatian
Bosniak Association, Bulgarian Islamic Congress, etc.
I remember an expose they did on OBN about Islamic life in Bulgaria
and the picture they painted was one of expansion, so much so that the
Bulgarian government is trying to counter the speed at which Islam is
expanding - especially in the capital city, Sofia.
Sofia's main mosque is one of my favorites in the Balkans. I just
love the colors - there's nothing red, or anything like this, in Bosnia.
"Prior to 6th century CE: Kosovo and the surrounding area were occupied by the Illyrian people, who became present-day Albanians. ".....Albanians are not Illyrian
The Albanian racism towards the neighbours is based on historical falsifications
Stanford University
Vitomir Dolinski: An interview with the persecuted albanian academic prof. Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich
The Albanian racism towards the neighbours is based on historical falsifications
VD: - You are regarded as a unique, albanian Mandela, but also as a political prisoner-record holder on the Balkan. For the insufficiently informed, at the beginning, tell us briefly about this?
Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - In former Yugoslavia I was sentenced two years strict imprisonment, allegedly for propaganda against the socialism and the brotherhood and unity. After I served the punishment to the last day in the jail Idrizovo, wishing to escape to the Soviet Union I got stuck in Albania with which the USSR exactly those days severed its diplomatic relations. After the ten-year internment I was arrested by the albanian authorities and sentenced 43 years of a most monstrous imprisonment, again allegedly for antigovernment propaganda, in possession of some revolver without license, preparing to escape and for insulting the investigator. Thus, in total I am sentenced 45 years, of which 37 for antigovernment propaganda, with which I think that I am the most heavily sentenced political prisoner on the Balkan and maybe I am a unique world record holder. Actually, if it wasnt for the (political) changes in Albania I would probably have still been in jail today. To this sentence needs to be added the severed marriage in Yugoslavia, in which fortunately I didnt have any children and also the second marriage, in Albania, in which I had two children. During the whole time of my incarceration, not only that I wasnt allowed to see my children, but I didnt even know if they were alive. No one was allowed to visit me, or to give me a piece of bread. Not even the other prisoners. Those who did that were punished and the poet Gani Shkudra, who came to see me, not only that they didnt allow him to see me, but in front of the jail, on the spot, they arrested him and sentenced him with 10 years imprisonment, allegedly for political propaganda. The only transgression attributed to him in the accusation is recorded as: he had gone to the jail Burel to see the public enemy Kaplan Resuli and brought him bread. While I was languishing in the infamous jail Burel, ten times they skinned me alive, literally, wanting from me to abandon my yugoslavian (montenegrin) citizenship, the yugoslavian (montenegrin) nationality, my ideals, even my children. They were forcing me to declare myself an Albanian, not only as citizen, but in nationality (ethnicity). Several times they attempted to liquidate me, even after I was released from jail, three times they have attempted to assassinate me twice in Tirana and once in Geneva. The Albanians themselves, not only my friends, but even the others who were antagonistic towards me, while I was in my jail cells, pronounced me an albanian Mandela. Even my most open adversary, the albanian writer Ismail Kadare, those days, the beginning of the nineties, in his attempts to befriend the european circles and Amnesty International who were involved in my freeing, did not shirk from naming me a martyr and a hero of Albania..... more on the link below.
again you are talking about "The ones in Southwestern Bulgaria live among the Christian Bulgarians and are slowly converting to Christianity once more."
you should accept them with their religion. Converting christianity should not be a sign of integration.
I'm not saying that they are being assimilated by force. It's simply a logycal process - when very little Muslims live among numerous Christians they slowly get assimilated. In mixed marriages when a Muslim woman marries a Christian man the children are Christian. I have two friends with Muslim mothers, one of them is 50% Turkish, from his mother's side. And as for the Rhodopes, I'm expressing concern, not because these people aren't Christians (I'm an atheist), but because by living in isolation they are becoming hostile to the rest of the Bulgarians. They begin feeling closer to Turks than to Bulgarians. And I think it's a shame that Bulgarians turn against other Bulgarians, we are the same blood.
P.S. I thought you Communists didn't care about religion, Mortaza.
Bulgarian, I am not communist. Lol, Infact my Turkish friends call me as fundementalist. and I care religion more than everything.
Infact what I am saying is totally different, I am not saying you have forcefully asimilating minorities, Infact Bulgaria is most tolerant country in balkain against minorities.
There is a problem at balkain, for them,(and us) If someone change his religion, he is no more accepted as member of nation. It is not different at turkey, greece or another country.when we are accepting greek or armenian muslims or pomaks as one of us, we sent turkish christians to greece.
Telling this muslim bulgarians converting back just mean(acording to me), they are turning their nation back, this is what I understand. Sorry for misunderstanding.
For Turks, interestingly they are loyal to bulgarians. They dont care much to joining with Turkey.
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