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    Posted: 03-Aug-2005 at 04:56

Also we say "pisi" or "pisik" to cats as well as "kedi" in Turkish but mostly when calling it "gel (geh) pisi pisi!" 

 
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yes, we don't say "come here kedi kedi" 
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Bulgarians have adopted the Turkish word "Bacanak", meaning husband of your wife's sister.
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Originally posted by the Bulgarian

Bulgarians have adopted the Turkish word "Bacanak", meaning husband of your wife's sister.

Old Turkic Bulgarians or present time Slavic Bulgarians , which one adopted it? 



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Slavic Bulgarians.
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Originally posted by the Bulgarian

Slavic Bulgarians.

Really? U use it in Bulgaria? Surprised!!
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It has become Balkan heritage now 
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Turkish - Greek   common words. (copy&paste)

adet - adeti (arabic origin)
afaroz - aforismos (greek)
aga - agas (turkic)
ahtapot - htapodi (greek)
anadolu - anatoli (greek)
anfora - amphoreus (greek)
angarya - angaria (greek)
atlet - athlitis (greek)
ayran - airani (turkic)
baba - babas (international)
baglama - baglamas (turkic)
bahsis - bahsisi (persian)
bakkal - bakkalis (arabic)
baklava - baklavas(turkic)
barut - baruti (persian)
bela - belas (arabic)
benzin - benzini (french)
bey - beis (turkic)
biber - piperi (IE ?)
bostan - bostani (persian)
boya - bogia (turkic)
borek -boureki (turkic)
bre - vre (mediterranean)
buzuki- bouzouki (turkic)
cacik -tzatziki (turkic)
cam -tzami (persian)
cami -tzami (arabic)
cambaz - tzambazis (persian)
cep - tsepi (arabic)
cezve - tzesves (arabic)
ciger-tziyeri (persian)
cakir keyif - tsakir kefi (turkic+arabic)
canta-tsanta (turkic)
capkin-tsahpinis (turkic)
cardak- tsardaki (persian)
carik -tsarouhi (turkic)
cay -tsai (Chinese)
cember -tsemperi (persian)
ciklet - tsikla (french)
ciftetelli -tsiftetelli (turkic)
ciftlik -tsifliki (turkic)
cirak -tsiraki (persian)
cipura - tsipura (greek)
corek -tsoureki (turkic)
dalga -dalgkas (turkic)
darbuka - ntarbuka (arabic)
davul - ntauli (arabic)
defne-dafni (greek)
dervis -dervisis (persian)
dert -derti (persian)
dogru -dogrou (turkic)
dolap -ntoulapi (arabic)
dolma -ntolmas (turkic)
dumen - timoni (italian)
efendi - afendis (greek)
eksen - axonas (greek)
fasulye - fasoulia (greek)
fener - fanari (greek)
fincan - flitzani (greek)
firca - vourtsa (greek)
fidan - fidani (greek)
filozof - filosofos (greek)
fisek - fiseki (persian&greek)
fistan - foustani (greek&italian)
guverte - kouverta (italian)
hamal - hamalis (arabic)
hancer - hatzari (arabic)
hanim - hanoumi,hanoumissa (turkic)
hap - hapi (arabic)
harita - hartis (greek)
haram - harami (arabic)
harman - harmani (persian)
hatir-hatiri (arabic)
helva - halvas (arabic)
hoca - hotzas (persian)
horon - horos (greek)
huzur - houzouri (arabic)
ibrik - briki (arabic)
imam bayildi - imam baildi (arabic+turkic)
irgat - ergatis (greek)
iskelet - skeletos (greek)
ispanak - spanaki (greek)
iskarpin - skarpini (italian)
istakoz - astakos (greek)
istavrit - stavritis (greek)
istavroz - stavros (greek)
isteri - ysteria (greek)
istridye - stridi (greek)
kabadayi - kabadais (turkic)
kabuk - kabouki (turkic)
kadayif - kadaifi (arabic)
kalamar - kalamari (greek)
kalfa - kalfas (arabic)
kanal - kanali (french)
kapak - kapaki (turkic)
karpuz - karpuzi (persian)
karsilama - karsilamas (turkic)
kasap - hasapis (arabic)
kasar - kaseri (turkic)
kavga - kavgas (persian)
kaymak - kaimaki (turkic)
keci - katsiki (turkic)
kemence - kementzes (persian)
kerevet - krevati (greek)
kestane - kastano (greek)
keyif - kefi (arabic)
kilise - ecclisia (greek)
kilit - klidi (persian)
kiraz - kerasi (greek)
kokona - kokona (greek)
kokorec - kokoretsi (greek)
korfez-korfos (greek)
kulube - kalyva (persian&greek)
kutu - kouti (greek)
kuzine - kouzina (spanish)
kupeste - koupasti (greek)
liman - limani (greek)
limon - lemoni (greek)
lokum - lukumi (arabic)
lufer - luferi (greek)
marangoz - marangos (greek)
manastir - monastiri (greek)
manav - manavis (greek)
mandalina - mandarini (greek)
mantar - manitari (greek)
maraz - marazi (arabic)
meltem - meltemi (?)
metazori - me ta zori (greek)
meze - mezes (persian)
mikrop - mikrobio (greek)
misafir - musafiris (arabic)
muze - mousio (greek)
nargile - nargiles (persian)
naz - nazi (persian)
okyanus - okeanos (greek)
pabuc - papoutsi (persian)
pancar - pantzouri (greek)
pantolon - panteloni (italian)
panayir - panigyri (greek)
pide - pita (greek)
portakal - portokali (Portugal)
rezil-rezili (arabic)
sabun - sapuni (greek) 
salep - salepi (arabic)
saz - sazi (persian)
sokak- sokaki (arabic)
soy - soi (turkic)
sunger - sfungari (greek)
samata - samatas (arabic)
serbet - serbeti (arabic)
taraca - taratsa (italian)
tavan -tavani (?)
tavla - tavli (italian)
temel - themelio (greek)
tencere - tentzeris (greek)
teneke - tenekes (latin)
tulumba - touloumba (italian)
tufek -toufeki (persian)
varil-vareli (french)
yaka - yakas (turkic)
zar - zari (arabic)
zeybek - zeibekikos (greek)
zor - zori (persian)
zurna - zurnas (persian)
zuluf - tsouloufi (persian)



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Once  Beylerbeyi posted such a list and Greeks, as far as I remember especially Phallanx, got angry about it...

By the way, bouzouki comes from Turkish bozuk. There's a saz called bozuk (out of order, broken - because its size is smaller and its played in bozuk tuning system). I read this in many Greek sites about rembetiko and bouzouki...
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Okay. Ive edited this two words.

buzuki- bouzouki (turkic)
Saz - Sazi (persian)

 
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Corrections:

atlet - athlitis (french) - nope, greek
ayran - airani (turkic) - no idea what this means
baba - babas (turkic) - nope, international
barut - baruti (persian) - nope, greek (pyritis)
biber - piperi (IE ?) - yes, but coming from other origin
bre - vre (?) - mediterranean
cezve - tzesves (arabic) - no idea what this means
darbuka - ntarbuka (arabic) - no idea what this means
dogru -dogrou (turkic) - no idea what this means
efendi - afendis (greek) - not sure if it is greek
eksen - axonas (IE?) - greek (axon)
fasulye - fasoulia (greek) - actually "fasolia"
fener - fanari (greek) - actually "fanos". Fanarion = small lantern
fincan - flitzani (greek) - not sure if it is greek
firca - vourtsa (greek) - not sure if it is greek
fisek - fiseki (persian) - nope, greek (fysiggion)
harita - hartis (arabic) - nope, greek (hartos = paper, hartis = map)
iskarpin - skarpini (greek) - nope, italian (scarpe = shoes)
isteri - ysteria (french) - nope, greek
kabadayi - kabadais (turkic) - no idea what this means
kalamar - kalamari (greek) - not sure if it is greek
kemence - kementzes (greek) - not greek
kilit - klidi (persian) - nope, greek (kleida = key)
kokona - kokona (greek) - not greek
kulube - kalyva (persian) - nope, greek (kalypto = I cover)
kutu - kouti (greek) - from "kytion"
kuzine - kouzina (greek) - nope, spanish, I think (cocina)
kupeste - koupasti (greek) - not sure if it is greek
lufer - luferi (greek) - no idea what this means
marangoz - marangos (greek) - not sure if it is greek
manav - manavis (greek) - not sure if it is greek
mandalina - mandarini (greek) - not greek
mantar - manitari (greek) - not greek
meltem - meltemi (?) - not greek, maybe arabic?
metazori - me ta zori (greek) - "me to zori". ("Me to" is greek, but I am unsure about "zori")
mikrop - mikrobio (french) - nope, greek (mikro=small, vios=life)
pancar - pantzouri (greek) - not sure if it is greek
pantolon - panteloni (french) - nope, italian
portakal - portokali (french) - not sure
sabun - sapuni (arabic) - nope, greek (sapon)
tavan -tavani (?) - not greek
tencere - tentzeris (greek) - not greek
teneke - tenekes (?) - I think latin origin
zor - zori (persian) - aaa, there is "zori"!
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dogru -dogrou (turkic) - no idea what this means"!
I know! It means "straight ahead"


Originally posted by Menippos

kemence - kementzes (greek) - not greek
What does this mean? Never heard it before...


Originally posted by Menippos

kilit - klidi (persian) - nope, greek (kleida = key)"!
Kleidion - remember the battle?


Originally posted by Menippos

mantar - manitari (greek) - not greek
  Got you! It's Greek, comes from anc.Greek Amanita

Originally posted by Menippos

portakal - portokali (french) - not sure
 Portugese

 

Btw, I'm amazed that you took the time!



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Originally posted by Yiannis

Originally posted by Menippos


dogru -dogrou (turkic) - no idea what this means"!
I know! It means "straight ahead" aaaa, "ntougrou"!!!


Originally posted by Menippos

kemence - kementzes (greek) - not greek
What does this mean? Never heard it before... neither have I


Originally posted by Menippos

kilit - klidi (persian) - nope, greek (kleida = key)"!
Kleidion - remember the battle? Yup


Originally posted by Menippos

mantar - manitari (greek) - not greek
  Got you! It's Greek, comes from anc.Greek Amanita you... you... you... oh, ok then...

Originally posted by Menippos

portakal - portokali (french) - not sure
 Portugese as I have been informed by portuguese people, it is not portuguese

 

Btw, I'm amazed that you took the time!
Btw, I am amazed you also did!
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kemence isnt Greek, it's an Eastern Black sea instrument, belongs to Laz. "tencere" isnt Greek also. Barut is Chinese I guess, Turks have used gunpowder before Greeks learned it.

Most of the fish names in Turkish are from Greek. Some from Italian.

Here is a longer list of common words, the site is Turkish but it's easy to find the words...

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kemence: A stringed instrument played by a bow especially by  Black Sea people, also by Pontos Greeks

I think it means little keman(violin) in Persian...
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In Greek it is called "Lyra"
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Well, the Milets, when colonized Eastern Black Sea coast, were ethnically assimilated in the local population. And both adopted elements from each other.
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After the immigration, it might be changed I think... Because as far as I know the mainland Greece's lyra is different from the Pontos one...

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kemence isnt Greek,

Well, the word is not Greek, but the instrument has its origins to the ancient Greek "guitar"="kithara".

Originally posted by Oguzoglu

"tencere" isnt Greek also.

The word is not Greek, and the pot is a pot found anywhere.

Originally posted by Oguzoglu

Barut is Chinese I guess, Turks have used gunpowder before Greeks learned it.

Gunpowder was invented by the Cinese. It was used by the Turks in the siege of Constantinoupolis (then, now Istanbul). The word, however, is Greek; it is the word "pyritis" (pyr=fire in anc. Greek).
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After the immigration, it might be changed I think... Because as far as I know the mainland Greece's lyra is different from the Pontos one...

Of course, but it belongs to the same family of instruments.
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