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    Posted: 20-Jun-2014 at 09:00
Originally posted by aniart

You'll be astonished; but if somebody thinks nowadays, it's really strange... 


Yes, it is definitely "strange".
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HERE ARE ANOTHER HEBREW WORDS TRANSLATED USING ENGLISH

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Worship:

Sinai = sin [sın]; I [aı] I sin

hitbodedut = hit [hıt]; bode US [boυd]; at [ət]; duty US [du:.ti] hit (when) bode at duty

being alone, especially staying only with God

rabbi ['ræb.aı] = rabble ['ræbl]; I [aı] I (among) rabble

beit tefila = bait [beıt]; tell [tel]; feel [fil]; at [ət] at feel tell to bait

the name of synagogue

bima = be [bi]; my [mai] be my

elevation (platform) in a synagogue

aron hakodesz = are on [a:r on]; ha [ha:]; code US [koυd] / codex US ['koυdeks] are on, ha code / codex

altar cabinet, the Holy Ark

* relates to transmitters

rimonim = re- [ri-]; mount [maυnt]; him [hım] remount (for) him

decoration of the roll in the form of towers

kore = co- US [koυ-]; read coread

lector

almemar = all US [a:l]; men [men]; mark US [ma:rk] all men (to) mark / all marked men

an isolated bench opposite the platform in a synagogue

Simchat Tora = seem [sim]; hard [had]; to row [tu: rəυ] seem hard to row

Joy of Torah

widuj = we [wi]; do [du]; ye [ji:]= you [ju] we do ye (for you)

confession of sins

selichot = sell [sel]; it [ıt] / in [ın]; hot [hot] sell it hot (a sin) / sell in hot

do penance

nisan = kneel [ni:l]; sun [sΛn] kneel (before) the sun

a Jewish month in spring (March / April)

oneg = own US [oυn]; egg [eg] own an egg*

Joy of Shabbat and holidays

* an egg must have been the main food during some Jewish holidays; compare Pesach and Easter

pilpul = peel [pil]; pull [pυl] pull a peel

dialectical casuistry


Public institution, social law:

Miszna = mission ['mıζn]; now [naυ] mission now

the base of Talmudu

bejt din = bait [beıt]; din [dın] bait (and) din

Jewish court

bejt ha-kneset = bait [beıt]; ha [ha:]; knack [næk]; set [set] ha, knack to set (and) bait

meeting house

gabbai = gab [gæb]; by [baı] by gab

a member of management in a synagogue

chadasz = ha [ha:]; dash [dæζ] ha, dash

new crop of Jewish ground; one mustn't eat it earlier than after the second day of Pesach

Yiddish = yid [jıd]; dish [diζ] dish of yid

ghetto ['get.əυ] = get [get]; owe [əυ] get (what) owe


Marital customs and duties:

jichud = jig [dзıg]; hood [hυd] jig (under) hood = have sex in secret

marital sexual intercourse and a ban to stay in a closed room with a person of different sex without any other persons

bia = bias ['baıəs] bias

a sexual relationship

nidda = need [nid]; dab [dæb] need a dab

wife before renewing a sexual relationship with her husband

szajtel = shy [ζaı]; tell [tel] tell shy

a wig worn by orthodox wives to hide natural hair

nachat = now [naυ]; hat [hat] now hat

parents' pleasure or joy when they think about their children's success

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Originally posted by beorna

Germanic and semitic languages are hardly both indo-eiropean languages. While germanic is, semitic, which is usually called Afroasiati today is an own linguistic family. Maybe you mix it with Nostrati, to which Indo-european and Afroasiatic belong.


Yes, this is what I meant, my mistake, thank you.
Even though the Nostratic theory is usually considered just a hypothesis, it would make sense that if all contemporary humans came from one relatively small group in Africa, so at least 2 of the contemporary language groups can be traced to one language.

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HERE ARE ANOTHER HEBREW WORDS TRANSLATED USING ENGLISH

Subject-matter:


Worship and objects of worship:

chasyd = ha [ha:]; seed [sid] ha seed

pious person

chazan = has [hæz]- ma; sun [sΛn] (he) has sun

chanter, at first it was the name of official in a synagogue

tallit = tall US [ta:l]; lit [lıt] tall lit

a white shawl used during prayer

yarmulke ['ja:.mυl.kə] = yarn [ja:n]; mullah ['mυl.ə]; can [kən] be a mullah = leader and can (create) the yarn (history) / be a mullah = teacher and can (teach)

a small, circular cover for the head worn by Jewish men

tefilin = tell [tel]; feel [fil]; in [ın]- w tell and feel in

two black boxes containing a parchment with fragments from the Bible, worn during morning prayers on the forehead and arm.

menorah [mə'nכ:.rə] = men [men]; -or [כ:(r)]; row [rəυ] men (that) row (are burnt)

a special candle holder with places for 7-9 candles

mezuza = message ['mesidз]; use [juz]; at [æt] at using message

a small roll of parchment fastened at the door of Jewish house


Officials, learning, anathema:

kol-bo-nik = call [kכ:l]; boar [bכ:(r)]; nick [nık] call a boar* in the nick (of time)

a person that fulfils several religious functions at the same time

* relates to the descendant of Adam

chacham = ha [ha:]; ham [hæm]; ha, ham

sage

cheder = haed [hed]; there US [ðer] there (is) a head

school in a synagogue

bejt ha-midrasz = bait [beıt]; ha [ha:]; mid- [mıd-]; rush [rΛζ] ha, mid-rush to bait

classroom

darasz = dark US [da:rk]; rush [rΛζ] rush to dark

studies

cherem = hah [hæ]- used to express satisfaction that something bad has happened to someone who deserved it, or to express a feeling of victory; ram [ræm] ha, ram

curse, anathema

galut = gone US [ga:n]- poszedł; loot [lut]- grabić, grabież, łupy he has gone to loot

exile


Wedding ceremony and marriage:

mesader = mass [mæs]; adder ['ædə(r)] adder (celebrating) a mass*

chairman of ceremony

* compare to the one of Jewish symbols presenting an adder eating its own tail

chupot = who [hu:]; pot [pot] who (will) pot?*

wedding

* allusion to sexual intercourse

kali = call in US [ka:l ın] call in*

bride

* relates to dowry

ha-chatan = ha [ha:]; how [haυ]; tan [tæn] ha, how tan*

groom

* it's about dark complexion of Jews

edim = add [æd] / aid [eıd]; him [hım] add to him / aid (for) him

bridesmaid and bridesman

chuppa = hoop [hup]; pa [pa:] pa (father) hoops*

a wedding baldachin; word describing the last part of wedding ceremony

* At the beginning it relates to the moment of putting on wedding rings and once erusin was used to describe Jewish betrothal [Rabin Simon Philip De Vries-Mzn. „Obrzędy i symbole Żydów” WAM Cracow1999]

Mi sze-berach = me [mı], share [ζeə(r)] US [ζər]; bear [beə(r)] US[ber]; ah [a:] / ache [eık] (let) me share bear (a child) ah / (let) me share bear an ache

prayer of blessing



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HERE ARE ANOTHER HEBREW WORDS TRANSLATED USING ENGLISH

Subject-matter:


Creation, relation of God and human being and death:

Adam Kadmon = add [æd]; ham [hæm]; cad [kæd]; mourn [mכn] Add ham* Mourn (for) cad

the first human being according to the Old Testament

* tells why Jews don't eat pork

Al Ha-Nissim = all US [a:l]; ha [ha:]; knees [ni:z], him All Ha Knees (before) him

prayer telling about miracles

Kaddisz = cad [kæd]; dish [diζ] Dish from cad

funeral prayer

kittel = kit [kıt]; tell [tel] tell (to do) a kit / tell the kit

white robe symbolizing a shroud

Malach ha-Mawet = mal- [mæl-]- źle, niepoprawnie; ah [a:]- okrzyk bólu / ache [eık]- ból, boleć; ha [ha:]- okrzyk radości; man [mæn]- człowiek; vet [vet] Vet a man, ha ache / ah mal

angel of death


Worship and holidays:

Talmud ['tæl.mυd] US ['ta:l-] = tall US [ta:l]; mood [mu:d] Tall mood

kohen = co-[kəυ-]; hen [hen] common with a hen (together with a girl or woman)

a priestly descendant of priest from the Temple of Jerusalem

maariw = mark US [ma:rk]; eve [iv] mark the eve

evening liturgy

cholent = hold US [hoυld]; end [end] hold (to) the end

shabbat dish

szofar = show US [ζoυ]; far US [fa:r] show far

ram's horn using especially during New Year

Purim = pour US [pכ:r]; him [hım] Pour him

a holiday rendering memorable salvation of Jews, during which they get drunk

Sukot = sue [su]/ sew [səυ]; cot [kot] Sue (for) a cot / sew (a tent)

The Feast of Tabernacles

Pesach = pass US [pæs] / pest [pest]; ah [a:] Ah pass* / Ah pest

* about the Sun

chol ha-moed = hold US [hoυld]; ha [ha:]; mow [məυ]; add [æd] / aid [eıd] hold ha the mowing aid

common days during holidays, the middle days of The Feast of Tabernacles and Pesach, when one should reduce common works

Rosh Hashana [rαζ.hæζ'a:.nə] = rush [rΛζ]; hash [hæζ]; ah [a:]; no [nəυ] rush (to) hash ah no

Yom Kippur [jαm.kı'pυə(r)] US [ja:m'kıp.ə] = y'am [j'æm] / y'all US [ja:l]; keep [ki:p]; pure [pjυə(r)] y'am / y'all (shall I / shall all) keep pure

Hanukkah ['ha:.nə.kə] = ha [ha:]; no [nəυ]; can [kən] ha no (nobody) can

chanukija = ha [ha:]; nobody [nəυ.bə.di]; keen [kin], yeah [jeə] ha nobody (is as) keen yeah

the contemporary name of Hanukkah candlestick


Betrothal, wedding, living together and separation:

tenaim = ten [ten]; I'm [aım] I'm ten*

betrothal

* relates to the age of person become engaged in ancient times

erusin = err US [er]; use [juz]; keen [kin] err, use and (be) keen

the first part of wedding

szechina = share [ζər]; him [hım]; now [naυ] share him now*

*relates to ancient Jewish custom of having many wives

harmony of married couple

ona = owe [əυ] / own US [oυn]; now [naυ] owe (her) now / own (her) now

the period of time when a Jew is obliged to have sexual intercourse with his wife

get = get [get] get (a divorce, money)

the act of divorce


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HERE ARE SOME HEBREW WORDS TRANSLATED USING ENGLISH

Subject-matter:


God and death:

Adonaj = add-on ['æd.αn]; I [aı] I add-on

Lord

Szadaj = shadow [ζæd.əυ]; I [aı] I shadow

Almighty

Adon Olam = add-on; all [כ:l]; am [æm] I'm add-on (to) all

Lord of World

Hamakom Mi szeberach = ha [ha:]; man [mæn]; come [kΛm]; me [mı]; share [ζər]; bear US [ber]; ah [a:] / ache [eık]  Ha, a man comes (to) Me to share bear an ache / ah

He, who is everywhere, shall cheer me up”

bikur cholim = be [bi]; cure US [kjυr]; hold US [hoυld]; him [hım]  be, cure, hold him

association haunting ill people

szeloszim = share [ζər]; loss [los]; him [hım]   share the loss of him

time of mourning

Chewra Kadisza = have [həv]; ram [ræm]; can [kæn]; dish [diζ]; at [әt]   have a ram and can (be) at the dish

The Saint Society 


Worship:

Shabbat [ζæb'æt] = shabby ['ζæbı]; at [æt] At shabby

Shabbat

Sukot = sue [su]/ sew [səυ]; cot [kot]  Sue (for) a cot / sew (a tent)

The Feast of Tabernacles

Kol Nidre = call [kכ l]; need [nid]; ray [reı]   Call (and) need a ray

morning liturgy

szacharit = shan't [ζant]; harm US [ha:rm]; it [ıt]   shan't harm it

morning prayer

mincha = mean [min]; ha [ha:]  ha, mean (of the day)

noon prayer

neila = nay [neı]; lack [læk] nay = not  not lack

closing prayer

Szemone esre = share [ζər]; monarch ['monək]; as [əz]; ray [reı]   Share a monarch as a ray

the main prayer

Nourishment:

kaszer / koszer = cow [kaυ]; share US [ζər] / co-[kəυ-]; share   share a cow / coshare

kosher (food)

Szechita = shed [ζər]; hit [hıt]; at [æt]   At hit to shed

Jewish way of slaughter

bedika = bad [bæd]; it [ıt]; can [kæn] it can be bad

examination (of meat)

terefa = tear [teər]; eff [ef], at [æt] tear and eff at

bad (meat)

kaszrut = cash [keəζ]; root [rut]   cash root

rules of ritual eating


Circumcision:

orla = or [כ(r)]; lad [læd]  or lad

the cutting-off fragment of penis

mohel = mow [məυ]; help [help]  help to mow

a person who does the rite of circumcision

sandek = sun [sΛn]; deck [dek]; deck the sun

a person on whose lap is to be carried out the circumcision

sandeket = sun [sΛn]; deck [dek]; at [әt]  at decking the sun

a person taking part in the rite of circumcision, mainly the grandmother of baby

brit hamila = breed [bri:d]; ham [hæm]; in [ın]; lad [læd]   breed ham in lad (relates to genetics)

alliance of circumcision

bechor = ban [bæn]; horde US [hכ:rd] / be [bi]; chore US [tζכ:r]] ban a horde / be a chore*

first-born

*relates to sacrifices of first-born

bechorim = ban [bæn]; horde US [hכ:rd]; him [hım] ban a horde (for) him / be a chore (for) him

first-borns /be [bi]; chore US [tζכ:r]; him [hım]





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It is one language behind people!It was institutionalized in Egypt.But it was used long time before Ancient Egypt.All the voices have been included inside!I suppose some of them are not originaly preserved(Before Ancient Egypt).Somehow voices from Balkan "Slavic" languages are inside Ancient Egyptian.Modern Turkish has them all except "C"=Tz.Modern English has a lot of them even if the letter-sign for them it has not for them.  
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Originally posted by Antonis

No, I think he means it the other way around. English originated from Hebrew. Sadly, there are so many individuals who believe in a Master language that spawned all the others, even those who preceeded it(I don't say that English was used before Hebrew, of course). I don't know if that is the case here, but usually those theories tend to recycle themselves and other, more absurd theories are born by the time...
 
 
I don't know about a "master language", [sounds too much like "master race"].  However, there does exist strong evidence of what was a global language.  A derivitive of "Old Negev", it's found in petroglyphs that exist on 5 continents, including North America.
 
Sadly?  What's sad is the fact that the arrogance and narrow mindedness that caused the destruction of the Pre Columbian languages still exist.
 
We aren't sure of what cultures existed 10,000 ybp, and new types of written languages, where it was thought there was none continue to appear.  An example would be the discovery of patterns of language in the "Pictish Glyphs".
 
   
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Germanic and semitic languages are hardly both indo-eiropean languages. While germanic is, semitic, which is usually called Afroasiati today is an own linguistic family. Maybe you mix it with Nostrati, to which Indo-european and Afroasiatic belong.
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Well, both germanic and Semitic languages are Indo-European, and as such there are bound to have some words that are similar, not because they originated from each other per se, but because they both originated from a common language. I wouldn't dare to presume any more than that. However, Indo-European is not a Master Language, just a possible start point.
One also have to be aware that words from different languages may sound the same or similar, but to have different meaning, hence they cannot be used as a possible proof for anything. For example, in Bulgarian "az" /that sounds like "ass"/ means "I", while in English has a completely different meaning. So, it doesn't matter that both English and Bulgarian are Indoeuropean languages, the said sonoral similarity is nothing more than coincidence.
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  Quote Antonis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Jun-2014 at 13:43
No, I think he means it the other way around. English originated from Hebrew. Sadly, there are so many individuals who believe in a Master language that spawned all the others, even those who preceeded it(I don't say that English was used before Hebrew, of course). I don't know if that is the case here, but usually those theories tend to recycle themselves and other, more absurd theories are born by the time...
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Originally posted by aniart


ENGLISH
AS FIRST HEBREW




What is the main idea here? That Hebrew originated from English?

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I wrote about first names, now a few words about surnames that derive from the Iron Age.
Why? Because the most popular surname in England is:


Smith; in German: Schmied; in Polish: Kowal, Kowalski


and other popular English surnames:


Jones = Jones; jones – to want something very much

William = Will I am

Taylor = Tailor

Brown;White; Green – surnames linked to army grades

Wilson = Wil's son; Johnson = John's son; Robinson = Robin's son – surnames of father's name

Walker = Walker – here: a common soldier


Common German surnames can be divided into two groups:


folk surnames:

Müller = Miller

Schmidt; Schmid from Schmied = Smith

Schneider = Tailor

Fischer = Fisher

Wagner = Driver

Schäfer = Shepherd

Koch = Cook

Bauer = Farmer

Köhler = Coalman

Schwarz; Braun = Black; Brown – surnames linked to army grades

Krüger = Innkeeper

Zimmermann = Carpenter

Lehmann = Vassal

Hoffmann = Courtier

Neumann = Newman

Hartmann = Hardman


master surnames:

Meyer, Meier = Governor

Schulz from Schulze = Village administrator

Richter = Judge

Herrman = Proprietor

Kaiser = Emperor

König = King

Walter = Ruler


There are numerous different examples...


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Tincture of Bovine?
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All of this brings to mind yet another American word combination comprised of two words whose initials are B and S.

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You should add to these rowing people, inter alia pharaohs, using Euro or studying Torah, ancient and contemporary Romans living in Rome. One should not be astonished that nowadays Roman law is in common use.


Roman ['rəυ.mən] US ['roυ-] – a person who lived in Rome or the Roman Empire in ancient times; a person who lives in the modern city of Rome; relating to the city of Rome and its empire in ancient times and also relating to the modern city of Rome.

row [rəυ] US [roυ] – to cause a boat to move through water by pushing against the water with oars.

man [mæn] – an adult male human being; the human race; any of the objects that are moved or played with in games such as chess.


And something interesting:


holocaust US ['ha:.lə.ka:st] – a very large amount of destruction, especially by fire or heat, or the killing of very large numbers of people; the Holocaust – the killing of millions of Jews and others by the Nazis before and during the Second World War.

ha [ha:] – used to express satisfaction that something bad has happened to someone who deserved it, or to express a feeling of victory.

low [ləυ] – below the usual level; producing only a small amount of sound, heat or light; of bad quality, especially when referring to something that is not as good as it should be.

cast [ka:st] – to throw something; to send light in a particular direction.


Nazi ['na:t.si] – a member of the National Socialist (Workers') Party, led by Adolf Hitler, which controlled Germany from 1933 to 1945; someone who is cruel or who demands an unreasonable degree of obedience, or someone who has extreme and unreasonable beliefs about race.

not US [na:t] – used to form a negative phrase; used to give the next word or group of words a negative meaning.

see [si] – to be aware of what is around you by using your eyes; understand, know or be aware.


Nazi means 'invisible', 'unseen', 'inconceivable'.

But in Hebrew: Nassi – prince (the title of chairman in Sanhedrin).


Source:


Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary, Cambridge University Press, 2005

Langenscheidt's Pocket English Dictionary by Tadeusz Grzebieniowski, Warsaw


In some cases we use symbols similar to phonetic signs.



Everything what's written here has only a scientific meaning and should not be considered wrong in any political, religious or racial sense. These words are examples and they are taken into account only to serve as the best evidence of that theme to be shown in depth.
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It is just a funny word play, words can mean different things in different languages.
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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-May-2014 at 11:04
He can't be real about this stuff.  There remains a considerable level of use of Elizabethan English in the Appalachians and several other isolated regions in the South Eastern US.  But it doesn't resemble any of this "stuff".
 
Example- Jim is not an Ancient English name.  It's a shortening of James.  Biblical- James, brother of Jesus.  James,  Jamie etc. 
 
It also happens to be my first name.
 
 
 


Edited by red clay - 05-May-2014 at 11:13
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  Quote Ollios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-May-2014 at 14:33
Originally posted by beorna

you must have a lot of free time, no friends, no other hobbies .....LOL



LOLLOLLOL You have already said what I thought
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