America under Islam

The Spanish gained their rapid foothold in South America mainly because by sheer coincidence the Inca had a myth that their fair skinned creator god would return from the Western ocean bringing the last age of the Inca to an end, so when a few hundred fair skinned Europeans turned up from the West, the Inca didn't put up any resistance, they welcomed the Spanish as returning gods and surrendered their empire and civilisation.

By the time they realised they weren't gods it was too late.

Imagine if a few hundred dark skinned, turbaned guys had turned up looking for trouble instead? Do you think the Incan Empire would have been so friendly...?

Originally posted by Baal Melqart No Rock n' Roll that's for sure...

I fully support my associate here. We are trying to secure a civil atmosphere here; and if someone, anyone, is dissatisfied, there is another level one can go to and voice his/her dissatisfaction.

Edited by Don Quixote - 20-Jan-2013 at 07:51

Originally posted by Mountain Man Interesting topic, but against forum rules to openly discuss. In my view, anything can be discussed as long as people remain civil

Not according to posts on this forum by administrators, and the sheer number of people banned or punished for relatively innocuous remarks.  The preponderance of evidence is against you on this one, and Islam is a hot-button topic not amenable to criticism.

If you really want to have this as an open discussion, without arbitrary determinations of what is "civil",  say so in print, right here, and I'll take you up on it, but remember, History can be a harsh and unforgiving mistress.

Originally posted by Mountain Man Originally posted by Nick1986 In an alternative history, Christopher Columbus is mocked and dismissed by both the Spanish and Portuguese, so he offers his services to the Turks. The sultan provides Columbus with a ship and promise of reward if he claims the new land for Islam. What would the USA be like today if it was colonised by Muslims rather than the English and Spaniards? Would Europe be more or less advanced, and would America be independent or remain under the caliph's control? Interesting topic, but against forum rules to openly discuss.

Originally posted by Nick1986 In an alternative history, Christopher Columbus is mocked and dismissed by both the Spanish and Portuguese, so he offers his services to the Turks. The sultan provides Columbus with a ship and promise of reward if he claims the new land for Islam. What would the USA be like today if it was colonised by Muslims rather than the English and Spaniards? Would Europe be more or less advanced, and would America be independent or remain under the caliph's control?

Interesting topic, but against forum rules to openly discuss.

Originally posted by Baal Melqart No Rock n' Roll that's for sure...

I thought the four string guitar was a Saracen invention. The backbeat was originally derived from traditional African drumming

What religion would have been predominate in the the Arab-controlled Trans-Saharan region?
BUT, the conversion to Islam would have been forced, so I concede that most of the slaves would not have been "true" muslims. The traders that the slavers deal with, many would be Muslims.

Muslims were not "supposed " to enslave other Muslims, im sure we all know how strictly the word of Allah is adhered too..........

millions of Muslims to America,? ok as a salve to the usual reaction, tens of thousands out of the millions. hope that makes things better.

No Rock n' Roll that's for sure...

It would be a muslim territory and not many people would want to immigrate, including muslims, who also prefer free world.