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What do you think was the best siege unit in the middle ages?

It can be either for anti siege, or anti unit.  You tell

 
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a ballistae or a trebuchet
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Roman (Byzantine) Biffa perhaps?

The Chinese also had some obscure and nice siege weapons

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There are obviously more effective seige units but I think the H'wacha is te coolest.
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Yay for Shingichun Hwacha!   Fire about 200 arrows or 100 bullets at the same time...hell of long time to reload, but who cares...I like the arrows better than the bullets...see if you load fire arrows, arrows with packets of gunpowder attached to them, you fire them all and then an arrow gets stuck in a guy...he's like WTF and pulls the arrow out...and then the fuse runs out and his hand gets blown off...isn't it great?
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All of the different catapults has their uses and disadvantages.
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Trebuchets were effective I think
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there are alot of forms of trebuchet, they are the dominant siege weapons of the day, which one are you talking about?
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When I think castle killer I think the English(correct me if I am wrong) trebuchet.
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The trebuchet.  I have to figure that these games keep making the trebuchet the highest level siege weapon for a reason.
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there are alot of forms of trebuchet, they are the dominant siege weapons of the day, which one are you talking about?

something that has the mass of this
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Being the cannon maniac that I am, I would have said bombards if I had not known how horribly unreliable they were. In this case, my vote goes to the man-powered light traction trebuchets--they were excellent anti-personnel weapons when loaded with large bunches of small stones in addition to being effective against timber fortifications and even some light stone walls. They were also very widespread, ranging all the way from China to the farthest tips of England and Spain. Coming close behind are the bolt-throwing springalds or espringals used in the defence of cities and large castles.
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It is intresting that some historian claims that some kind of trebuchet was used by Romans (under the name trabutium)...
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what would it be like...
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If it existed--a proposition that is still storngly in doubt--I think it would look like the Chinese traction trebuchet. You'll find lots of pictures of it on the net, especially on http://members.iinet.net.au/~rmine/gctrebs.html (The Grey Company Trebuchet Page).
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Trebuchet, the one in AOK...
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Are there any differences between Trebuchets and Mangonels?
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I also wonder that...
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What is a manogel?
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I've got some good links to every occidental siege weapon:

http://xenophongroup.com/montjoie/ngp_arty.htm

 
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