The diff is that we are taking about somethings that Christians did 300-1000 years ago compared to what Islamic groups are doing today.

Once again, it was Iran which prolonged the war, not Iraq. Iraq invaded first, correct, but after 1983, when Iraq had already been pushed out of Iran, Iraq wanted a ceasefire.

Originally posted by TheGreatSimba On the contrary, Christianity and Judaism have been far more violent. Christianity alone has led to the deaths of more people than any other religion. Disregarding everything prior to 1492, since then genocides and atrocities have been committed in the name of Christianity all over the world. The deaths of millions of Native Americans, Asians, and Africans at the hands of Christian nations is well documented since the era of colonialism and imperialism began. All this because Europeans thought they had a superior culture and religion. These nations justified all of their actions through religion, contending that they were simply carrying out gods will.

To be fair this is a massive generalisation and over simplification of events.

Originally posted by TheGreatSimba Colonialism and imperialism were all justified by Christianity and had religious undertones and motivations. Slavery was justified by Christian beliefs for example.

Justified by later Christian writers and theologians to justify already existant actions, not by the core doctrines of Christianity itself.

Eg. Christianity itself is pacifistic. Yet St. Augustine provides the case for a justified war, one that is still the basis of our own jus ad bellum of today.

Originally posted by TheGreatSimba First of all, the motive of the Iranian regime to prolong the war was not based on nationalize or wanting to get revenge, it was TO SPREAD THE ISLAMIC REVOLUTION.

There could be different motives, some were nationalists and some other ones were religionists or revolutionists but the fact is that in 1983 they were Iranians who had been killed in a large number and there were just Iranian cities which had been destroyed, we had just regained Khorramshahr with very high casualties, it was clear that no one wanted to end the war in this situation in Iran.

Originally posted by TheGreatSimba Second of all, considering that the last 5 years of the war cost even more Iranian lives and completely destroyed the Iranian economy, yes, stopping the war in 1983 was the right thing to do.

It was not predictable what would happen, a country invaded and captured a large part of our country, almost the whole oil-rich province of Khuzistan, you can still see the destructions caused by this invasion in the first years of the war in this region, I think Iranians would certainly reproach themselves, if they ended the war with just their own casualties.

Originally posted by TheGreatSimba Third of all, revenge is never the answer! Saddam had gotten his ass kicked, his army was destroyed, he was humiliated. If Iran had ended the war in 1983, it would have been on top, with minimal losses. It would have been the smartest decision.

But I think other countries also dared to attack Iran and capture parts of this country.

Originally posted by TheGreatSimba Fourth of all, stopping any war as soon as possible is always the best option!

So it would be better that we ended the war in the first year when we had lost Khuzistan, yes?

Originally posted by TheGreatSimba I'm not saying you're a racist, what I'm saying is that a lot of your comments regarding Arabs and Islam is rooted in Iranian racism against Arabs and hatred of Islam

A persian proverb says "A snake bitten man is afraid of a black and white rope".

Well, after reading the above responses of TGS, we can conclude one thing!

We can conclude that TGS is an Iranian American, who hates America, and Iran! His critisms cover all bounds!

He is neither Iranian nor American, but he is surely Communnistic, or if you prefer, a "Progressive!"

It seems also clear that he is but recently removed from higher education, or even perhaps, he is still involved in College?

I tend to follow the later!

More than likely he is encompassed upon some highly liberal and thus Progressive campus, probably in the West! Perhaps even Berkely?

But, nowdays kooks like him and the polluted professors who now proliferate at almost all college campi, can also possess a number of their students! Thus it seems that TGS is so taken!

But, I could well be entirely wrong?

How about it TGS, please tell us something about your self?

Regards,

Thanks so much for your response! I can merely guess that I was close to being correct!

Good Nite!

Regards,

Originally posted by TheGreatSimba Colonialism and imperialism were all justified by Christianity and had religious undertones and motivations. Slavery was justified by Christian beliefs for example.

Edited by Kanas_Krumesis - 15-Jun-2010 at 03:05

Originally posted by TheGreatSimba So because I dont have the same opinions that you and Opuslola have I hate both Iran and the USA? Because I'm not an ultra super fanatic nationalist, I hate both Iran and the USA? I'm glad neither of you are in power, you guys sound like fascists....you'd probably have been imprisoned, tortured, and executed, just like the people you claim to hate. You know Cyrus, you sound a lot like the Mullahs. The problem with you and Opuslola is that you are both very bitter. Cyrus, keep blaming everyone else for your problems and the problems of Iran, but the truth is, no one can be blamed but Iranians themselves. Not the USA, not Israel, not the Arabs, not the Indians, not the Aghans, etc... no one but yourselves. Deal with it. In the USA, people are just as crazy as in Iran. This is the ultra nationalistic garbage that I hate, whether its in the USA or in Iran, its pointless and childish really. Grow up.

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri   Originally posted by TheGreatSimba Yes, I do believe that most governments in the world are terror states.   Is it possible that someone reads it and doesn't think that you hate most governments in the world? In your view, Ultra-nationalists are those ones who don't hate their country, I wonder what you call people who love their country?!

Yes, most governments are terror states and commit acts of terror all the time. The Iranian government, the United States government, the UK government, The French government, etc...

all of them commit horrible acts of terror. You know what Cyrus, since the end of the Bush administration, it is daily being confirmed that the Bush administration actually fabricated evidence to start the Iraq war...That is an act of terror which has led to the deaths of over a million people!

Dont forget that the United States, China, Russia, the UK, France, amongst many others, have been the largest state supporters of terror for the past 60 years!

The difference between me and you too is that I am not blinded by ultra super fanatical nationalism. Your kind lead to destruction and war. Neither Opuslola nor Cyrus can stand a single bit of criticism about the USA or Iran respectively, so the problem isnt with me, its with you two.

Oh and Opuslola, whatever happened to not criticizing your Commander in Chief during war time?


Edited by TheGreatSimba - 15-Jun-2010 at 15:27