Muslim immigration in Scandinavia

I just found this video on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7p4pq8nB2Y&feature=related

And although I had a good laugh at first, it is strange that this
is actually happening in Norway.
If it were the UK or Germany it wouldn't seem so strange, as both
have a long history of immigration, but in the scandinavian countries
it just seems so... unlikely.


I searched the internet for some information on this, and the situation
in Denmark and Sweden appears to be very similiar. With the immigration
there is also an increase in crime rates and riots, and this video in particular

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoMeUcC_M20&feature=related

shows that there might be some problems with the more fundamentalist
muslims that aren't really discussed in the media.

Now I wonder if some of the scandinavian members here have any
personal experience with this development or know more about it.

Yeah... the racism is turned upside down by us here in Norway. Instead of us trying to get more Norwegian - to fit into the community, the Norwegians are trying to be more like us, to integrate into our society.

I am very demoralized about the Muslim reaction to this video!

If you want to prove that most of you can never be assimilated within a foreign environment, then you have proved it here by your response, or the lack of your responses!

No one showed the slighest remorse for the life that this good looking and very smart young man has had to go thru with, within his "on" country, and having to live and go to school with Muslims!

So, I have to assume that the majority of you (as Muslims) don't consider this as somewhat "negative" towards your ability to ever be really assimilated outside of your very closed and negative society!

I would consider it more like a "blond, blue eyed, young man, from a forerly Christian society, being sent to any public school in Iran, or Iraq, or pick the Islamic society of your choice, and the manner in which he would be treated!

He would be treated as the Quran proscribes! Shunned! Ignored! And not for the intervention of school officials, he might well be killed!

But, that would do little to make these "outsiders" in Scandanavia look peaceful!

One might well ask, Azadi, since he seems to live somewhere nearby, just why he did not feel for the little boy!

In the same circumstances, here in the USA, and in many places in Europe, where there exists certain poor Muslim children, who by fate, had to be sent to school with a majority of Christians, this child would face a far less threatening life, than does a native in his own nation, have to face in a school situation full of unfriendly "outsiders!"

And, as long as you all keep up this "us" against "them" attitude, then the sooner children like the one in the video, may grow up as "mass bombers" within the Islamic community!

You must notice, that even though he was necessarily raised within any realm of a Christian family, he made sure, that he was "considered one!"

Just wait, untill this soon to be hateful towards Islam, young (Viking)man becomes able, that he starts throwing bombs into the nearest Mosque!

Only then can you hate him, because he exists because of you!

If you do not like the nation that allowed you to live within them, then please leave them or accept them!

Again it is the lack of sympathy for this kid, that has not only depressed me, but has also imressed me, just how different we are!

It seems we have not come very far from the Crusades after all!

Azadi, your explanation has no meaning to anyone from the West! It is idiotic and lazy, as well as "supremeist!"

Long Live America! I have Islamic neighbors! We all live in harmony!

MAY THE GOD OF ABRAM, PROTECT US ALL!

GOD! BE PRAISED!

O JACOB, SELAH!

Let us see how many Islamic apologists respond now? How many feel like Azadi? How many just want to live life in peace?

But,maybe I misrepresented (mis-understood?) the post by Azadi?

If so, I apologize!

Any and all moderators have my permisson to edit any of my words above!

Regards,

Edited by opuslola - 27-May-2010 at 19:18

I just wrote down the reality, and what happens in front of everybody eyes. It's heard to believe for people who do not live in such communities, because it's downright absurd...

Originally posted by Van_Möck From what I read the fundamentalists were originally a small minority among the immigrants, but today the descendants of the moderate muslims are often intrigued by the fundamentalist views, as they provide a sense of identity they can relate to more easily than the society they were born into, but which rejects them anyway (in some cases). Especially with bad education and personal problems as results of discrimination it seems to be appealing to radicalize. So in this way they are similar to extreme right- or leftwing activists, with the tiny difference they are one of the worlds largest religions and financially and ideologically supported by entire states, as for example saudi arabia. What surprises me is, that there is so little open discussion about it. Here in Germany there are many conflicts with turkish immigrants, but additionally to "political correctness" the german history in itself prevents open criticism against minorities. So I really wonder what it is like in the other countries...

So please everyone keep in mind this is not a vs thread, lets try to have a civil discussion.
(so no viking vs saracen arguments )

 

TGS, wrote;

"Frankly, here in the US, Christian radical fundamentalists out number the Muslim fundamentalists, so the problem here in the US isnt the Muslims, its mostly Christian fundamentalists."

That is a very hateful post! You transfer blame from the very persons who kill themselves just to kill Christians (others it seems do not really matter) with "Christian radical fundamentalists", who, as I remember (unless you consider the Ok City bombing an act of a Christian fundamentalist?) have not deliberately bombed any one any where! With the radical Islamic groups!

Indeed, in most nations, it seems neither has made much of an attempt to attack the other as specific enemies!

Other wise, yours was a typically good TGS posting!

Originally posted by C. Isaurikon I agree that migrants should learn to adopt and respect the customs of the country which they migrate to. From the video above it looks like the migrant community in Scandinavia are behaving like a pack of chauvanists and they should cut it out and be respectful towards their new home.

From watching a few other documentaries I got the impression that to the fundamentalist muslims a secular gouvernment without religious legitimacy has simply no right to exist. And so do the means of enforcing its laws, as for example the police.

In one particular documentary about the swedish city Malmö which has a city destrict called Rosengard with more than 85% of the population being of foreign background a young muslim was asked why there were so many attacks on ambulances, firefighters and police-cars, and he said that the muslims were enraged because the police "played Allah".


Unfortunately I can't find the video, but here are some links to the general situation:

Wikipedia - Rosengard
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roseng%C3%A5rd

Youtube - "Welcome to Sweden" by Fox News
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diw5SneythM&feature=related



This aggressive behaviour reminded me of another pretty long documentation
I also found on youtube called "Islam: What the West needs to know".
It seems to be pretty controversial, but it makes many interesting points.

Youtube - "Islam - What the West needs to know 8"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV1DMGyzFOw&feature=related


It stresses the political side of Islam that plays an important role, and we
also see this today in the incident in Israel concerning the Aid Flotilla.
A Hamas Spokesman named Sami Abu Zuhri:
"We call on all Arabs and Muslims to rise up in front of Zionist embassies across the whole world."
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Palestinian-Aid-Convoy-Two-Killed-As-Israeli-Navy-Clashes-With-Boats-Sailing-To-Gaza-Strip/Article/201005415640829?f=rss

Now we can lean back and wait for the muslim communities to start riots in denmark, norway and sweden (And of course Britain). Now if he calls for protests its one thing, but he calls on the muslim faith of the immigrants to make a political point, and there we go again...

It is sad for the Muslims who have tried their best to assimilate in other nations and amongst other religions when their parents and relatives mostly have never lived in such a situation.

It is also becomming apparent that Sharia Law is a lot more important to younger Muslims than the West has believed!

It is most apparent that this belief, "conquer, or convert / kill, or subjugate" those who do not believe in it, has over taken a great number of the worlds younger Muslim!

Sorry, that is just the way I perceive things!

Regards,

Eaglecap, please read threads before making such assumptions, Van Mock specifically asked what it was like in other countries:

Originally posted by Van_Möck So I really wonder what it is like in the other countries...

I told him (see my post dated May-29-2010 at 07:40), and I elaborated more by saying that its not Islamic fundamentalism here that is the problem, its Christian fundamentalism (thus implying that yes, we here in the USA also have problems with religious extremists, although of a different type).

I then went on to compare the differences between Europe and the US to explain why in Europe Islamic fundamentalism within their countries is seen as a threat where as here in the US, where there is a large Christian fundamentalist population, the Muslim threat is really non-existent here as compared to perhaps Scandinavian countries.

In fact, my post was most certainly on topic.

Clear enough?

This isnt Fox News, you cant get away with false claims and accusations, I'll call you out on it.


Edited by TheGreatSimba - 07-Jun-2010 at 12:07