What does Greek sound like to a non speak

Phallanx,

What I said was that the -mi verbs existed in ancient
Greek but not in Kathareuousa, that was all.

That is why many Greeks today who can read
Kathareuousa fluently are not at all familiar with
such class of verbs; they disappeared very early:
they were already a dwindling minority in Classical
Greek (and, even then, most -mi verbs also
appeared, alternatively, as -w.)

I do not think we disagreed on anything. Well, 'Great
minds think alike' , as the English saying goes...

Edited by Pete

Most of the others are from Turkish and some Turkicized Arabic words.

for example...salya...from the greek sialos

Sokak is Turkish Cyrus, it comes from the verb "sokmak". But maybe this word was derived to replace the Persian usage of the word, so derived to a similar form to Persian. Because we have lots of suffixes in Turkish to create new words, because of our language's structure (suffixes and additions to word endings).

I thought Sabun was Persian or Greek since it looks IE.

"Soy" "tel" and "semer" are definately Turkish...

Edited by Oguzoglu

You are right about "Sabun", it is an Arabic word but comes from Greek "Sapon".

bodrum - mpodroumi -[ ıpodromos (���������)] (dungeon)

mantar - manitari - [amanite (��������)] (mushroom)

cupra- tsipura - [ipuros (��������), ipura,  posessıve case tis/ipuras ] (gilthead)

pavurya - kavuri -[pavuros] (crab)

Edited by BirTane

mennipe why you removed the vaftiz....?

tesekkurler

The words in BirTane�s list are a mixture, but the
vast, vast majority are Turkish (in the sense that
Greek got them from Turkish), and some, before
being Turkish, were/are Arabic (rahat, susam, etc.)
or Persian (zor, tembel, etc.).

I do not have an etymological dictionary or books on
etymology here at home, so I cannot check anything
- although one has to be careful, because nationalist
ideologies have occasionally led writers of all
countries to make up etymologies: in the past,
Turkish linguists claimed that rota came from
Turkish y�r�t(mek), Greek linguists claimed that
(h)ayde came from Greek agete, etc.

I think (without certainty) tufek(i) is not originally
Greek but Turkish, and that sokak(i) is originally
Arabic, not Persian and not Turkish - although it
exists in Turkish and Greek and [if you tell me so] in
Persian [I do not know Persian].

The only word in the list (besides those that you
guys pointed out already) that I though was originally
Greek is pide/pita. I have read somewhere that
it is one of those back-and-forth words (Ancient
Greek pykte > Latin picta > Modern Greek
pitta.

Etymologies are great fun, but you cannot build
the number of foreign words into a �we are better�
argument. Please let us not start with "look how
many words we gave you" / �no, you took more
words from me than I did from you�!

I really think that
1) Turkish gave more words (directly) to Greek than
Greek(directly) to Turkish
2) Persian gave more words to Turkish that Turkish
to Persian
3) Arabic gave more words to Turkish (and probably
Persian) than Turkish (and probably Persian) gave
to Arabic.

But so what? But my point is: okay, maybe
Language A gave more words to Language B - but
what is that supposed to prove anyway? One could
claim it was the result of nasty domination, another
could say it was the result of cultural superiority. I
think it is openmindedness: if your neighbour has a
useful new object or concept, it would be stupid not
to adopt it. Why should that be shameful? Should the
Greeks not have adopted coffee and some (now)
traditional dishes from the Turks? Can you imagine
what a loss that would be? Can you imagine Greeks
today without kefi and kafes? Turkish words,
of course - which, by the way, Turkish took from
Arabic, and so on. Similar exchanges happen in all
fields, from music to art, from philosophy to
technology.

As we often see in literature, you can take someone
else�s original creation and you can make
something good - sometimes even better. The
Ancient Greeks got cultural and literary inspiration
from the East, and developed it into one of the
highest civilization that ever existed - certainly not an
unoriginal one. Ancient Greek writers also kept
taking ideas (plots, characters, styles) from each
other, and the literature they wrote as a result kept
getting better and better. Some of the best things
written in Medieval Greek literature are taken from
French and Italian models. Modern Greek literature
took some inspiration from French and English
literature too. Why is that a problem?

And anyway... why should the actions of our (maybe)
ancestors (or our passport) determine if we,
personally, individually, are to be admired or not?


Edited by Pete

Just to clear any probable misunderstandings, what I present is based on the linguistic research of Anna Tziropoulou Eustathiou found in her book 'ELLHN LOGOS'.