What does Greek sound like to a non speak

Just saw that one, thanks dorian.

Oguz, here is what genetic studies have to say:

"The Fallmerayer Thesis in the Light of Genetic Evidence
Jacob Fallmerayer stirred quite a controversy in the 19th century by proposing that the Hellenic nation had perished in the Middle Ages by admixture with Slavs and Albanians.

We are now in a position, through genetic evidence to evaluate this thesis, at least with respect to the question of Slavic settlements.

Slavs are distinguished by having a specific Y-chromosome haplogroup R1a, or HG3, or Eu19. This reaches frequencies of higher than 50% in Poles and decreases significantly in non-Slavic populations. The "Macedonians" of FYROM, the Slavic population immediately to the north of Greece have frequencies of R1a of 35%.

We must warn that R1a itself is not a Slavic marker. This means that any particular R1a sequence could, or could not be of Slavic origin. But, a population that has mixed with Slavs is likely to show this in relatively high levels of R1a.

Ornella Semino published a study in Science 290: 1155 in which the levels of R1a (which she calls Eu19 are given in various populations. Greeks have 11.8%, that is about 1/6 that of the Hungarians, who top the list at 60%. The Hungarians are not Slavs, but from the genetic standpoint they could very well be of Slavic origin, converted linguistically by the Asiatic Magyars. The Poles at 56.4% are the highest Slavic population.

We must note that ancient Slavic groups at the time of the Slavic dispersals probably had even higher levels of R1a. After all, Poles and Hungarians are themselves only partly Slavic in origin, and the result of admixture of a predominantly Slavic element with indigenous pre-Slavic ones. As a result, it is likely that at the time of their migrations, the Slavs had even higher frequencies of R1a.

R1a did not originate with the Slavs (that is why it is not a Slavic marker). Its origins in a Eastern European refugium after the Last Glacial Maximum means that it has had plenty of time to spread across the continent even to places where Slavs were never present. For example, its frequency in Syrians at a frequency of 10%, close to that of Greece, in the Saami of Scandinavia at 10%, Turks at 6.6% and in Albanians in 9.8%. It is even found in the Dutch, at a frequency of 3.7%, a population that has been largely unaffected by any Slavonic incursion. Given that Greece is closer to the area where R1a probably originated, it is very likely that R1a lineages would have been part of early population elements of the Balkans.

Thus, we know that at least a part of 11.8% of R1a in Greeks is of pre-Slavic origin. We also know that the ancient Slavs had frequencies of it in excess of 50%. It's hard to quantify the exact percentages, but I will give an educated guess, that 5% of R1a lineages in Greece are of Slavic origin, while the ancient Slavs had it in frequency of 75%. The picture is not much different if we change these numbers, but they will do for now. As a result, the Slavonic influence in Greece turns out to be about 7%, an almost exact match for the figure given by Vasiliev in his History of the Byzantine Empire based on demographic considerations.

This figure might turn out to be less, or slightly more. Better resolution using markers distinguishing R1a chromosomes might provide us with additional information. But, the conclusion seems unavoidable, that the contribution of Slavs to the Greek gene pool (if any) is very limited, certainly not enough to extinguish the noble Hellenic nation as Fallmereyer had proposed.


It seems that a certain cystic fibrosis mutation is of Slavic origin (in other words, the original population who became the Slavs came up with this gene). The intersting thing is that Serbs, Croats and Bulgarians don't carry the gene. What does this mean? It might mean that the gene is not really the Slavic gene. Or, as the authors of the report below say, southern Slavs lost the gene when they mixed with other populations. I'm not saying they're right in making that assumption. But who knows?

"Our results indicate that this mutation is particularly common in Czech, Russian, Belorussian, Austrian, German, Polish, Ukrainian, Slovenian, and Slovak patients. It is the second most common CF mutation to be identified in Central and Eastern European CF patients. By contrast, it was only sporadically detected in Western Europe and was absent in Bulgarian, Croatian, Romanian and Serbian CF patients. It was not found in diverse other populations of non-Slavic origin. The geographic distribution of the mutation is similar to the spread of Slavic populations during the first millenium."


I could post another loooong study but I'll just post the part that is related to your delusional allegations.

"The most comprehensive study of Y-chromosomal diversity in Europe thus far is Rosser et al., [1]. The human Y chromosome is passed on from father to son. One can thus study one half of a population's ancestry (along the paternal line) by studying the Y-chromosome. Greek Y-chromosomes belong to haplogroups HG1, HG2, HG3, HG9, HG21 and HG26. None of the 35 Greek Y chromosomes are of non-Caucasoid origin. "


"The emerging picture of Y chromosome variation in Greece indicates genetic continuity, with slight influences from neighboring Caucasoid regions and virtually no influence from non-Caucasoids."


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DIENEKES PONTIKOS

You see, this is the whole thing that gets me pissed.
You never once did accept the fact that the Ottomans killed anyone, to you the were the best rulers that ever did exist throughout history.
The keyword here is RULERS. Like it or not the Hellines were oppressed, were denied many of their right.

You just can't get it, can you?
Do a simple search using "secret school Greece" or use Ottomans instead of Greece,  you'll find hundreds of accounts on this.
But then again they are nothing more than agents that are paid by us to spread propaganda, since you're not part of the Christian Club.
(I do remeber the BS you guys use as arguments)

Then try the same thing about Smyrna (that was the name the time of the events) Don't use any Turkish or Hellinic site, do objective research for once and then tell me who did what to who.

Again you speak of some alleged respect when your post was nothing mare than a manifestation of mockery. Yes even towards the dead.
Read it again and you'll see.

Instead of saying I have brainwashed ideas, why not ask yourself the simple question.
Why did my goverment cancel the conferance, why did my politicians name it treasin, why not finally end this and let everyone see the truth.
If the whole issue is as you support nothing more than a fraud, why on earth are they so afraid???
Probably that the Armenians are right and that would open the doors for Hellines, Hellinic Pontians, Assyrians and Kurds to demand the same.
That would be bad, wouldn't it.

That dear friend is more than enough proof you'll ever have.

Yeah, I know all about the 3 children and their mother in the bath. I'll give you the fathers name in a next post if you'd like. We know exactly who he was and what he'd done.
In case you don't he was a TMT officer.

Listen this old Greek music: Ikariotiko (Yiannis Parios) it sounds very Assyrian to me, in fact I think it can be categorized as a Middle Eastern music.

It is good with this dance: http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=401& PN=1&get=last

The turks say all the time that they were too tolerant and everybody else believe that but the nations who sufferred it. They were tolerant that's why we had to attend mystika sxoleia (secret schools) in order to keep alive the greek education. They were too tolerant that's why the non-muslim populations had to pay hight taxes for their religion and a proof is that Albanians became muslims to avoid the taxes. So, the conclusion is that they were tolerant because they didn't kill whole the nations for their beliefs and their language. Thank you Turkey!!!

Don't change the topic by da way!

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Menippos

My apologies to you and the rest of the readers, this was my fault but I can't stand the disrespect toward our dead, my dead family, that is a punch below the belt and just can't be accepted.

Anyway, seeing you comprehend ancient Hellinic quite well, do you see any familiar words in my previous post (previous page of this topic) or is this something only I see?

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Well, you are right to think that when in America you should speak english.
In any other you would be consideded an outsider to the majority of the society (school, jobs, etc.).
Take it from a Greek that lived in England for 10 yrs.
I started being accepted in the british society only when I was not attempting to prove that any word (kimono, etc.) comes from greek. By this I don't mean that I refused my identity as Greek, but rather I used it in a different way. Greeks have gone anywhere and done well by not imposing our culture and beliefs on others but rather combining their cultures with ours and therou the natural process create even stronger cultural elements which then remain in the local society and contribute in its advance.
So I actually used my greekness not in order to differ, but to colourize my presence amongst others, immediately rendering myself quite attractive an individual to me companied with by my surrounding english, indians, chinese, turks bulgarians, arabs, italians, japanese, spanish, barbadoese, persian, portuguese, african and other colleagues, both in the university and later in my working environment. I still vividly remember my visit to Ferndown, a small village in the south coast of england, where I visited in order to attend a job interview. There I found myself in a pub, stranger in a strange land, but before long I was surrounded by a gang of local elderly men and women, all bursting in outrageous laughter by listening to my stories of a land that many of them or their immediate relatives had visited during WWII as soldiers of the allied forces. They all called me "the Greek" and I loved it. We parted company with me having received some of the best ever hospitality and them with a smile of nostalgia and long-forgotten memories of yesteryear.
For me, that's what it means to be Greek.

Damn, what happened to the formatting???

Originally posted by Menippos Well, you are right to think that when in America you should speak english. In any other you would be consideded an outsider to the majority of the society (school, jobs, etc.). Take it from a Greek that lived in England for 10 yrs. I started being accepted in the british society only when I was not attempting to prove that any word (kimono, etc.) comes from greek. By this I don't mean that I refused my identity as Greek, but rather I used it in a different way. Greeks have gone anywhere and done well by not imposing our culture and beliefs on others but rather combining their cultures with ours and therou the natural process create even stronger cultural elements which then remain in the local society and contribute in its advance. So I actually used my greekness not in order to differ, but to colourize my presence amongst others, immediately rendering myself quite attractive an individual to me companied with by my surrounding english, indians, chinese, turks bulgarians, arabs, italians, japanese, spanish, barbadoese, persian, portuguese, african and other colleagues, both in the university and later in my working environment. I still vividly remember my visit to Ferndown, a small village in the south coast of england, where I visited in order to attend a job interview. There I found myself in a pub, stranger in a strange land, but before long I was surrounded by a gang of local elderly men and women, all bursting in outrageous laughter by listening to my stories of a land that many of them or their immediate relatives had visited during WWII as soldiers of the allied forces. They all called me "the Greek" and I loved it. We parted company with me having received some of the best ever hospitality and them with a smile of nostalgia and long-forgotten memories of yesteryear. For me, that's what it means to be Greek.

I thought about changing my last name to my Popoo's last name or my mothers maiden name (Cannedilides) so that I would be more accepted when I go to Greece to teach EFL. I identify much more with my Greek half than my German 1/4 but I have a German last name.
Funny, wherever I go in Europe they usually thought I was one of them, except Greece. I am a little darker than Irish or Scottish but they thought I was one of them and same in England. In Switzerland they usaually thought I was Canadian and in italy they usually thought I was Italian. But, in Greece, "Are you British, Dutch, or German, sometimes Canadian. No!!!! I am a Greek American!!! Only a few times did they notice the Greek in me but my sister is the opposite. My older brother does not give a hoot about his Greek heritage and told me, "I am an American and I do not have any interest in those goat herders." He has never been to Greece!!
Learning Greek in a place with few Greeks is hard but living in this beautiful part of America is great, I need to be surrounded by nature and all its glory. I live in a small town near Spokane,

Originally posted by Pete Interestingly, ALL non-native English speakers I know, of any nationality, said to me that they very much prefer English English (=British) to American English. They always say it sounds much more elegant and melodious.

Apart from my girlfriend - she says that she can hardly understand english when spoken by a briton, whereas she is totally comfortable when listening to an american speaker.

Personally, I understand both, having been watching so much american TV but also having spent 10 yrs of my life in London.

English is a very nice language - it has a tendency to be poetic and it surely can, because of its short words that can easily fit in a rime.
Also, the structure of its sentences is loose, meaning that a sentence can be ordered in many different ways without really changing its meaning. And this helps with the twists that a witty lingual manoeuvring would demand.
Of course, this is heavily relevant to the idiosyncracy of the user too. English can be either outrageously funny or elegantly subtle, depending on the occasion and the speaker.

But this is only my opinion. Some will agree, other will not.

If you read my posts, you'll find your answers.

But anyway, disrespect to my history by mocking the fact that "secet schools "existed.
Mockery of my dead just a couple of posts ago, (did you forget it once again???)
Quote:
imaginary crime,  never been comitted

I didn't continue, the topic moved on for a couple of posts until you came and changed it. Anyway, if you want to say something do it by PM.

Anyway to get back on topic.
Are the Turkish words I present above and on the previous page of this topic correct in spelling and the meanings given???