Day of the German

Originally posted by opuslola Cetainly American and other Allied troops committed War Crimes? It is the nature of war!

True, but allied troops committed war crimes at the level of individuals or small units.  NAZI Germany and Imperial Japan made the commission of large scale war crimes a national policy. That is a huge difference.

Originally posted by opuslola Even now the American government seems determined to see if it can convict our own agents, and soldiers of such crimes? Whilst it has "noble intentions", it is still "wrong!"

That depends on what crimes the individual agents and soldiers are accused of. 

As a side note, military courts martial of war crimes are traditionally presided over by combat officers and in the case of an enlisted man, a senor NCO with combat experience. This ensures that the men are not judged by rear echelon officers.

Edited by Cryptic - 24-Nov-2009 at 19:24

Mosquito, millions of Germans also suffered during the war. They were people to.

Hell, if you want to look at it the way you are looking at it, then by your very own argument, no one should be sympathetic to Israeli's simply because of what the Israeli government is doing. The same goes for the British, the French, the Russians, and every other European nations that has killed millions of people.

As much as the Western powers want to paint Germany as evil (dont get me wrong, Hitler was certainly evil, as was his Nazi party), in many cases throughout history, Western governments have done far worse, especially the European ones. What Hitler did to civilians pales in conparison to was the British, French, and others did in their empires. Hell, the Spanish wiped out entire civilizations and peoples, they succeeded in their genocides.

Fact is, German's suffered too, it was a horrendous war. I think Germans should not only be able to mourn their dead, but that they too should be able to honor their dead soldiers, who fought and died for their country, as tens millions of others have throughout history.
The British alone are responsible for the deaths of 20 million Indians (and that was just in one part of their empire, they killed millions more in Africa), a hell of a lot more than Hitler killed.

My guess is, if you were a German in 1941 and you were given orders by your superior to kill innocent civilians, you would have done it too.


Edited by TheGreatSimba - 24-Nov-2009 at 21:22

Originally posted by Mosquito   Their victims were people too.

Yes, they were both people.

Originally posted by Mosquito And as i proved on my list, those innocent German civilians without any orders were helping in organisation of massacres of Polish civilians. So the German population was responsible as well, even such people like German priests.

You did not prove that all Germans committed acts of massacre, you only proved that some did, which is true of all nations.

Originally posted by Mosquito It wasnt your country that was suffering 5 years of German occupation and 6 millions of murdered people.

Believe me, my country has suffered a lot more than Poland has (entire cities and populations wiped out throughout its long history).

And by the way, the Nazi's killed 12 million civillians in their concentration camps, not just the 6 million Jews that you are referring to (but maybe they dont count?)

The point I was trying to make is that you are looking at all of this in a very one sided way. Like the Polish never committed any atrocities?

I'm alittle confuse? If you count the Jews that was killed, and compare it old census numbers after the WWII; Cities around Europe, Asia Israel, and The United States. The number is closer to 1.5 million. True an awful number, but war is very terrible event.

In my opinion, everything about the past, the distant past and the less distant past is up to some challenge!

Propaganda is and always will be propaganda!

But, of course, I could be wrong?

Ron

Look guys! There are plenty of the so called "revisionist" sites on the I-net, which can make some people at least, give the entire holocaust a new view!

But, I am not a denier of the holocaust! Rather I deny a lot of things!

Regards,

Ron

Originally posted by Mosquito I feel no mercy for the Germans who died during allied bombings.

i just answered to this statement. If you feel no mercy for the German victims of bombings, then you feel no mercy for German babies that burned in the firestorms too. I can't see their guilt. The bombings did not only hit nazis or their supporters.

I have found a funny description below the video about the way to WW2 on You Tube (in this description author of the video is apologizing all Germans for making such a video):

Edited by Domen - 20-Dec-2009 at 03:28

Did I understand it correct, mosquito, that you are from Poland? As far as I know, most Polish or at least a lot were in the Communist Party after the war. So all Polish are responsible for Stalinistic crimes?

What has a membership in the NSDAP to do with guilt of the war? For some groups of Germans it was necessary to become members, others just wanted to have no problems. There wee a lot of reasons. It was a dictatorship. It was a special situation that led Hitler to the power, it were not the majority of Germans that brought him into power. Of course it were too much, but even all electors of the NSDAP were pure Nazis, racist or somewhat like that. There were different reasons for Germans to give him their voive. You just see the propaganda movies of Goebbels and believe what you see is the truth, but those pictures are propaganda. You blame them, how could they do this. It is easy today to do it, it is easy to blame them, but we know more than they knew.