Hypocrisy of Freedom of Speech

Europe needs to understand it lives in a world with other people. And if one man is sent to jail because he denies history, this asshole dead director should have been given the same 3 years.

Edited by Mughaal - 01-Mar-2008 at 15:43

AH, how some things keep on going on. First off I may add folks that to each their own. Nobody has the high road when an injustice is done. We should seek the opposite. Moslems have a right to feel upset with another planned attack at their core. A core that doesn't like to feel ridiculed. However, some moslems will use western means to an end and then take away rights they once previously owned. The western press needs to understand the full burden of responsibility for insults it chooses to publish for the sake of "freedom of Speech".. Media of any stripe tends to step up fear mongering with insecurity. Afterall the editors have their own issues. It's hard to understand one another when either side avoids placing their best foot forward. Slinging mud is easy. Getting to have decent discussions is not.

Edited by Seko - 01-Mar-2008 at 16:18

Originally posted by Mughaal Europe needs to understand it lives in a world with other people. And if one man is sent to jail because he denies history, this asshole dead director should have been given the same 3 years.   Im sorry, but not everyone has the same disregard and disdain for their religion. Thats pretty much a European thing. We have laws against such shit.   My freedom of speech, Northman, goes as far as people coming up to my face and calling me a camel f**ker. I dont really think id care. But when you attack the deepest belief system of mine, it will piss me off.   And different people have different levels of care for their own cultural institutions. Your declaring war on these people by insulting them as so.   Again, I ask, why are these men sent to jail for denying the holocaust?   But this goof isnt?     Im not saying to kill him, Im saying you need to get your laws in order - because your favoring one group over another.

Mughaal, I hope your happy in your little loop where no-one is allowed to criticise what you believe. The men who were put in jail for denying the holocaust received a great wrong. There is no logical justification for banging them up, and I completely reject it. You'll find that when you ask most Europeans, they'll reject banging someone up simply because of what you believe.

The Danish cartoonists didn't know what they were getting themselves into. No-one thought Muslims would get so pissed off, and to be honest, Europeans still don't understand what you are so pissed off about. So someone in a country FAR FAR AWAY drew a cartoon of Muhammad. Get a life, and get out of mine.

P.S- Spartan; That is a genuine picture, with a genuine London protester. He had to apologise for it the next day. 'Behead Cartoonists' became a ready phrase on talk shows for the next few weeks as we tried to understand what the hell really went on.

I have to admit, I don't feel sorry for Muslims over this, and neither do I feel hurt that their feelings where hurt over a f**king cartoon. The people who try to express empathy with them are forgetting one thing.

It was a f**king cartoon.

Please read your PM Parnell

Originally posted by Sparten I live in a highly versatile country where the language and culture changes every 10 miles, and while freedom of speech is all well and good, peace and good relations with other communities are far more important, and if for harmony freedom of speech muct be sacrifised then so be it.

To call the conditions in your country peaceful and good relations, is lightyears apart from my perception of the situation in Pakistan. Being willing or forced to sacrifice human rights for such a peace - or any reason for that matter, is not an option in my book.
It reminds me of an old story of a people living behind a door and all anyone ever heard from them was a soft cosy mumble through the door. "They seem and sounds to be happy", a man said, and the door was opened.
Behind the door, people were standing chin-high in manure and the soft mumble was a chant from each one of them.....  Don't make waves - don't make waves....

We could say,  they were in full harmony as well.

Originally posted by Omar I'm not interested in what is going on outside my bubble. I'm interested in why a Danish paper had to come over to my bubble and start picking fights.

Huh?
I didn't know Jyllandsposten came all the way over to Oz - or actually had a a printing facility out of Denmark???
- oh silly me, thats right, they didn't have to. It was Muslim Imams and Mullahs who spread the happy news, making sure the whole world got to see them, plus a few much worse fake ones. 
If you HAD been interested in things outside your bubble, you might actually have learned the facts.
Maybe your bubble is a PNP bubble - a retifying mirror - only allowing you to see from one side?

It is never ok to do what that paper did, and there are no mitigating circumstances. Besides, I'm untrusting enough about Quality of Life in central Europe that I suspect that these "troublemakers" probably have a fairly good point, and probably are having their statements grossly misrepresented (probably deliberately)

Lets assume it wasn't ok - but even so - was the reaction OK, Omar?
Then what reaction would be ok for us to take against immigrants who plan to murder people, attacking our democracy, trying to install fear and comitting arsen?

You even try to justify what they do Omar, probably not because you think its right what they do, but merely because they are Muslims.
In doing this, you are insulting your own intelligence - making it obvious that you cannot or will not separate right from wrong when your religion is involved.

 

~ Northman

Originally posted by Mughaal How far these freedoms go are a matter of human perception and bias.   When the cartoonists realized how upset the Muslims were, they should have apologized, not reprinted the cartoons in the name of "freedom"; and thats my final point.

If they did not violate any law of their country, they are not obligated to do so and certainly nobody can oblige them to do it.

And thats how policies are formed my friend. It was legal in the USA to own slaves until a certain point in time. It was also "okay" to have Jim Crow Laws, until the Civil Rights Uprising.

Akoulothos - I dont care hes dead. Theres a shitload of dead everywhere. I personally dont care for him nor did he touch me in anyway greater or lesser than say the dead people in Congo Civil War.

Ulrich - Take Spartakus's advice; If you dont like it move on to the next post. Theres no reason to make rhetorical comments.

Edited by Mughaal - 01-Mar-2008 at 18:36

Originally posted by Spartakus Well, while you pose a question you pose it in the wrong context. It's not the cartoons the problem, but the Law that permits it's publication. Instead of criticizing the exact Law, which i am sure you know shit off, you criticize people who act in it's context.