Zahi Hawass fed up with Racial Politics and lies

When do we talk about ancient Egypt,ancient world racism grows inside the words used by us!?!No matter what do you say,someone's past would be included or excluded from World history.All we are expecting
that it was used,DNA inside our being, different than Ape one.Our ancestors(to all of us?) came from the stars and were worshiped like Gods from Ape like humanoids.Jokers You are!
   Respected Hawass just say:Pharaons and white people have lived and ruled Egypt once.I agree with all of you that all the rest of population also lived there.Main problem of world history are grammar times and biology.1.After they were conquered they "vanished"!?!Biology paradoxes we have inside this statement.Example:India became Britain colonial territory.Were  Indians  vanished?2.Using this story  historian just named same people with so many different names that those we can use like personal names all around the world without mistake we will find,two persons are using same one!?!
     Premise:Egypt was place were racism starts like organized ideology?!?Domination of whites will be changed by others inside Egypt.And i believe that today "mixed" colours people rules the world like "representatives" of white race?!?Let us talk about it!
 



Edited by medenaywe - 12-Feb-2011 at 04:31

Originally posted by balochii ^ egyptians were ruled by asiatic and europeans rulers, however that didn't effect the genes of rural egyptians, only the elite egytians of today who live in the cities look similar to europeans or arabs. Go to Rural egypt and you will find the decendants of ancient egyptians

You surely made a point above, but I don't really think that it was a meaningfull one? That is think that you overlook just what effect an occupying army has upon any area and its population, especially under the conditions of many centuries before our current era!

Soldiers, were some times the only people with access to the common people of an occupied country that had ready monies and food supplies!

Sorry, but in almost every situation similar, the army men were regularly able to impregnate almost all of the available women in a war torn and occupied state!

If you place any army of occupation in any area for a long enough time then genetic mixtures are most likey a common occurance! Since almost no nation has had more occupation than Egypt, then such mixtures just had to occur!

But, it is really the time involved and the nature of people movements, and deportations, etc., that really convulse Egypt, and they seem especially important within the last 175-200 or so years!

Large areas to both the South and West, of Egypt have certainly resulted in people from these areas which are a largely dark skinned people, into Egypt, I.e. the "Land of Plenty!" Rich Egyptians, facing problems there, merely moved someplace else where they felt safe!

Thus occured a steady darkening of the native or country wide Egyptian!

At least that is my opinion, and I could well be wrong?

Edited by opuslola - 12-Sep-2010 at 21:15

I have noticed Afro-Centrics claiming everything as Black, in their mind it's either Black or white.  I just  don't get why they are so obsessed with skin tone.

The Egyptians were most likely were a mix of East africans and West Asians.   Nearlly all Afro-centrics are from america who originated mostly from West Africa and I dounbt have any connection to Egypt or even East-Africa. .  

Seems that I scared away another potential respondant! One post, an one reply, and gone to the graveyard of one post candidates!

I shall try to be kinder with other new posters in the future!

My family is mixed American Indian, black and white. I went to college a couple of guys that were Egyptian, one looked like a black man with woolly hair but the other was very light skinned with red curly hair. In history class one day the race of the ancient Egyptians was brought up, some people thought they were mostly white some did. I asked my Egyptian classmates how they felt both said white people do not know everything and that a great many of them consider themselves as black.

what means african sounding? Are Egyptians no Africans? Do you think they sound more Bantu or more Khoisan or more.......?

Edited by beorna - 20-Jan-2010 at 09:00

Balsbanpasa! Perhaps you have had too much tea? Or Hashish? In either case you perhaps know so little, about so much, that it is indeed a happy time, that you have only made two posts!

"The Word!" knows!



Edited by opuslola - 19-Jan-2010 at 17:11

Dear Bear and Moustafa!

Both good posts! There is some sadness when small details like "race" get into the way of real understanding. Technically any race is one that can interbreed with one another! Ipso facto, mankind is a "race", Chimpanzies are a "race", Gorillas, are a "race", etc.

It is almost enough for me to suggest that everyone would agree that everyone who has lived and reproduced in Africa (the continent) for over 1000 years (I.e. 1010 CE) should be considered as an original resident of Uganda! (Which is in central Africa, and I doubt one could be more "original African" than a Ugandan?)

Just bring in your family history chart, from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day saints, and we will annoint you as an "original African!" Chuckle!

Now, Moustafa, you also wrote; "There are scientific measures of the skull,nose and relationship between them that can identify the race of that dead person."

As to your claim above, I can plead ignorance! But, I do have some doubts about it! Variety in humans based upon the above measurements would not be enough to assure me of the skin colour of a corpse! But possibly you can provide us with such information that will convince me and others?

But, if one opinion counts for anything, I would side with the currently held opinion, that most of Ancient Egypt (From Thebes North) and possibly ancient Lybia, and other sections to the East, might well have looked more like modern Arabs or Syrians, etc., than modern Negroid (a old system name for sking colour, facial structures,and hair type, etc.) Africans!

Now you do not have to tell me that there also exists a lot of variety in Africa between the various dark skinned inhabitants there of! I realize that, but in the most general consideration, most light skinned humans, have a very good idea what some one looks like, who can be considered as a Dark Skinned African!

Now, I am not sure that I could determine a Dark Skinned native of Australian from a Dark Skinned African, but in general, I feel I could see the difference between a Dark Skinned African and a Dark Skinned Indian (Dravadian) and the African!

But, maybe that is because I have always lived with Dark Skinned Africans of differing mixtures with other persons with differing skin colours? I.e., Dark Skinned Africans mixed with N. American Indians (Native Americans), or Scots, or English, or French, or Dutch, etc.!

Perhaps I have certain recognition abilities as a result of my life in such a society? Or, perhaps not?

But, can I tell if an Ancient Egyptian, only by drawings / paintings, bas-reliefs, and other types of reliefs, etc., from someone from Nigeria, or Congo, or ?

I think I can! But maybe I am only that little steam engine?

Regards,

Opuslola, you are right, that there was a lot of migration after the reign of Tutankhamun. But black slave like nubians were common in all eras. and if you speak about black slave deportation to Egypt in muslim days, you should also accept a "white" migration by Arabs, earlier by Persians, by Greeks and Romans.

Originally posted by Herr Weh The Egyptians are apparently very sensitive about not being considered Black. Remember their outrage a few years ago when Lou Gosset Jr was chosen to play Anwar Sadat? But both men have basicly the same skin color.

Why?

Just because 2 people have a similar skin tone it means that both are "Sub-Saharan" Africans?

You do realize that there are millions of people in Southern India that have the same skin tone?

This is getting very childish indeed.