A question regarding what i can post.

Originally posted by Seko Looks like you're itchin to have an arguement right here and now A.S. Not only are you questioning the veracity of our rules regarding blacklisted topics but you're actually getting yourself involved in the blacklisted discussion in the process of making your arguement. I assume you can try to continue as you are doing knowing fully well that our policies will not change and I can remind you that this topic is not for discussion. Since you would be responsible for the consequences in continuing to challenge the blacklist policy then I would have to be responsible to enforce our policy. It's your choice.

     Seko, I have no intention of convincing you to take anything off the blacklist, as I already said I don't care whether we can discuss this issue or not on these forums. My only point of contention is the use of quotations to refer to the event, which is unjustified for the reasons that I gave. I'll say it again, you don't see the viewpoint of Jewish Holocaust deniers represented on a history website by putting the name of the event in quotations, so how is this any different?

     We might as well put Jewish Holocaust in quotes, just because there is a minority of people who believe it didn't happen. This is the root of what I'm trying to tell you.

Thanks for the clarification ArmenianSurvival. I knew what you meant but you kept insisting that this is an agreed upon policy (armenian genocide), though it is sometimes debated in international circles by historians and lobbied by politicians, it is in quotes becasue it has been argueably denied by those who's ancestors are being accused. They were tragic events by which the policy of 'genocide' is either refuted or accepted. Since these discussions have occurred many times in AE and ended up in disagreements from both sides nothing gets resolved. I know you are sensitve to this topic as are many other members of various stripes. I cannot take it upon myself to disavow one arguement for the sake of another.

Edited by Seko - 21-Sep-2007 at 22:24

Originally posted by Seko A.S. Your this is your second identical thread. The first one was moved.

     Oh okay, I was wondering why my post disappeared. No one said anything so I didn't know.

Originally posted by Seko The blacklist has not been open to further debate. I reminded you once that you will be paying the consequences for insisting that we discuss the blacklist and for trying to make a case by discussing the blacklisted subject in the process. Your next attempt will result in a warning!

     My only concern was the use of quotes to refer to a specific item on the blacklist, not the blacklist itself, nor the topic itself. Unfortunately it was impossible for me to explain my case without referring to the topic, since your justification for putting it in quotes is directly related to the topic as well.

     I don't have a bone to pick with you or anything like that, Seko. My only point is that you should use the same terminology that the majority of international organizations and historians use (whatever that terminology might be). After all, this is a history website.

     That is all from my end. Until next time

Wow! Your hostility knows know bounds armenica. You prejudge me by assuming I do not posess enough facts about this issue. You question my integrity as an admin. You then ask me to listen to your arguement when historically AE has had numerous threads on this issue in the past. That is not our fault for coming late to the party. You also label our Turkish members as using 'terrorising' methods. Then you go onto more of your poor anti-Turkish rhetoric as if that will help your case. Most of all you are engaging in blacklisted discussions while trying to make your arguement. Being that their are numerous violations here you are officially warned.

Originally posted by Byzantine Emperor Originally posted by armenica Nice. Thanks again to Seko for proofing my point. You couldn't have done it better. Shut down everyone and evrything that wishes to talk about the Armenian genocide and have the nerves to claim that this forum is not biased.   Well, as you well know, the Armenian genocide has been blacklisted for a reason here at AE.  No one can ever talk in a civilized manner about it.  If someone starts a civilized discussion, it always degenerates from there into a nasty flamewar.    The same thing happens every single time the topic is brougt up.  No one is ever going to be convinced that the other side is right.  They do not care; all they care about is asserting their point over the other person's point.  It is not even a matter of having an honest discussion with the hope of someone eventually changing their mind because good evidence was provided.   This is not to belittle the Armenian genocide by any means.  However, the "discussions" on the topic have become so absurd and predictable that it has become a parody of itself.  Sensible people at AE just roll their eyes, sigh, and move on to a more interesting topic.  Can you take part in discussions that that do not have to do with Armenia or the genocide?  If you cannot or will not, I think a certain agenda has been revealed other than discussing history for the purpose of enjoying history.  Do yourself and the serious topic of genocide a favor and let it be for now.

Why is it that those who insist on having us change our rules are always pushing for their own agenda? Did you once see me break our rules in this discussion? Did I insinuate anything against Armenian members like you, armenica, unfavorably have done against Turks? A few pages ago you were given the staff's line of reasoning. Just recently you were formally warned. Now you have ignored that and insist that we allow this blacklisted discussion to continue. You have violated the CoC by spreading your politics in the process. I have been patient with your insults against our policies and me. Instead of leaving your disgruntled voice regarding the blacklist you have somehow managed to acuse me directly in your childish antics. I am the one upholding the CoC where you are simply violating it. With all do respect to your background in academia and your personal history that you so willlingly share here, this is not a thread to discuss your grievance about your people or any about our staff (me included). Since you continued your barrage of accusations, then unfortunately, it has led to your eventual ban from this forum.

Edited by Seko - 23-Sep-2007 at 13:47

People against the genocide would like it to be renamed 'the false armenian genocide' or something along the lines of that. Let's just leave it as it is and stop arguing as it clearly isn't going to change. Should we just close this thread?

Edited by aslanlar - 24-Sep-2007 at 15:26