Do you believe that Turkey will enter EU

The thing about Turkey in my point of view is the fallowing:
-First the Turks are not part of Europe they only have Constantinople. And this presents a new discution: where the borders of Europe stop.
-Second they allow the death penalty.
-Third the muslim radicals are growing inside Turkey.
-Fourth this present a serious menace to the stability of Europe.
-Last i defend the fallowing they can have a special relation with Europe with some diferences, like in trade or education perhaps.
-Ah i forget the question of Cyprus

1. If your talking about "geography", Turkey has land in Europe the size of some EU states and with populations larger than them.

2. No they don't allow the death penalty.

3. When muslim radicals wern't a threat to the EU they actually allowed them in, looked after them and most hilarious of all "protected" them and would cause media frenzies being sympathetic to these MANIACS while condemning states like Turkey for clamping down on such people and movements. What the hell were Abu Hamza, Omar Bakri and the like doing in Europe huh, who let them in.

Muslim radicalsim is a huge problem in the EU and its their own fault, just like they have allowed Pkk and other terrorists in who are now running drug and human rackets, feeding young Europeans with Heroin, prostitutes, a crime wave, human smuggling and organized crime.

Don't blame other's for this, we were warned about these people but ignorantly fought we could tame them and use them as a pollitical tool against other countries.

4. What menace?

5. What if they say, sod it, were turning to the East, so-long, now that would de-stabilise the EU.

6. Oh Cyprus, what the next excuse gonna be.


Why don't you just admit that you don't want Turkey in the EU because,

-They have a "different" culture (ironic in itself, do Spain and Sweeden have the same culture I wonder)

-They are muslim

-You don't know much about them and fear what you don't know.

-Hold some stereotype, bias and prejeduce towards them.


However, if people were to speak their minds, they'd just be called racists and there's nothing worse for some people then to be called racist.



    

I vote for never.I don't want to join eu,we are not european we are steppe.I think eu will broke our nationality and make us a west people...

Originally posted by Mortaza Huncuk, we are not steppe. you are steppe.

Never,i hope

hehe, Infact It is russians who emerged victorious over the europeans, turks are only allies of russian.

Originally posted by NikeBG - "The Turks are Muslims and Muslims hate Christians (i.e. us) or in the best case don't get along well with us." - "The Turks have a too different and Orientalist culture than ours. Bulgaria and Romania have pushed their luck to the best, but that's about it - no more Oriental states." - "There are a lot of Turks/Muslims in our lands already and they're taking our jobs and only poluting our lands. For the same reason we shouldn't have accepted even Bulgaria and Romania."

If these are indeed the reasons why Europeans do not want Turkey in, then I would say Europeans are pretty damn racist. I hope you are wrong.

Btw, I'm pretty sure that the Turks have some prejudices towards the Westerners as well. I remember that there was a pretty popular book in Turkey last year (or the one before it) about a war between Turkey and the EU, in which the brave Turks emerge victorious over the Europeans...

I do not recall a book on a war with the EU, but there was a book "Metal Storm" if I remember correctly, on a war between America and Turkey, where some Turkish commandos detonate a nuclear bomb in Washington, and than the American president Arnold Scharzeneger responds by nuking several Turkish cities
I do not think such fiction books are motivated by anti-western sentiment, they are mostly a backlash on what many Turks perceive to be a threat of American imperialism.


Edited by bg_turk - 03-Jan-2007 at 10:53

Originally posted by bg_turk If these are indeed the reasons why Europeans do not want Turkey in, then I would say Europeans are pretty damn racist. I hope you are wrong.

Most of the ordinary people in this world are more or less racist and the Europeans are no exception (on the contrary). Of course, I'm sure that not all Europeans think like that and furthermore - not all of them think all these things, at least not consciously. Many might not agree though...

this is intellectual discussions part.

They kicked our ass hard, and we kicked their ass hard too. (do you hate turks? we kicked your hard ass too.)