Greece only SEE country listed as "Full Democracy"

Originally posted by bg_turk Of course, the improvements in the human rights record in Greece are welcome and very good news, and I hope Greece will continue working towards improving the rights of the Turkish minority.

Nobody is interesting to protect the human rights of Muslim pomaks and Roma (citizens of Hellas) from the regime of Ancara.

Originally posted by akritas From the  nationalistic  wall graffities and the sites that usually  present us  as arguments  I prefer to post real sources like the EIU. Actually the only people that was opposite in this survey are the nationaliists.   So in page 2 the survey quoted:   the dude(aka akritas)

Originally posted by Anton Antioxos, my source about people that affraid to speak Bulgarian is a movie about them. If you wish I may find a link to it but it is in Bulgarian. Another "source" is my grandma who were there several years ago.

Originally posted by akritas   But you answer was graffitties, minorities e.t.c. from a region that you dont know very well.   FYROMians  in the region have -political partie -web site -US Consule protection    but no VOTES   if there  are Bulgarians , where are they?   PS   give me time to answer because the forum is to slow after the upgrade.

Originally posted by Anton It seems it is pointless to discuss anything with you, Akritas.

Originally posted by Antioxos 2nd US embassy was trying to create minority problems and with this way to press the Greek government when the time is coming and EU is going decide about the obligation of Turkey against EU.

Edited by akritas - 26-Nov-2006 at 10:16

Antioxos, tell me one thing. Do you deny the existance of the problem with Turkish and Bulgarian minorities in Greece? If you do not deny it, what is the reason as an excuse to point that you neghbours are not better or may be even worse? Do you give a damn how good or bad are they? Are you proud of the comparison of you nation achievements with that of Turkey, Bulgaria, Republic of Macedonia and Albania or you are proud of just achievements of your nation itself?

Originally posted by Antioxos   1st Anton could you give some more information about the "Bulgarian minority " in Greece from independed  sources please.   What kind of independent sources do you want? There is no independent sources about that question. The existance of graffities like those I posted should drive you to ask questions shouldn't it? If you are interested in the problem you will find them, but if you want to prove the absence of the problem then any "independent" source might be declared as nationalistic. Moreover I didn't try to find those sources since my granny's words are enough for me.  Bg_turk, may be youhave some independent sources?   Till now i knew unofficial about "Fyromians" ,   isn't it the same as Bulgarians? Most of people that youcall slavophones are Bulgarians.   minority official about Muslim minority.First time i read about Bulgarian minority maybe you are refer the period 1940-1945.   2nd I m not compare Greek state with nobody i try to criticize the Greek state to become better and serve better their citizen.i only criticized the Turkish state because a.the Turkish state wants to create conditions for new Cyprus in WT and B.threaten military the Greek state.   Yes, but this threadis about how good is democracy in Greece isn't it? Why should one discuss it here?   Finally i feel very closed to the Bulgarian people because i have every day contact with bulgarian people and i enjoy this contact.   I am also close to greeks very much. I have plenty of greek friends around.     "I ask because I never understood the reason to point to others and say like kids that  "they do the same so why don't punish them as well"?"   Can you point me please where did i wrote these.    You didn't. It was continuation of my thought. Sorry if I offended you.

Originally posted by Antioxos Your turkishness  dont let you to see the truth that in Turkey governs a revised,diehard and imperialistic regime.

All I see is that in Turkey governs a "softly" Islamic  democratic government that is kissing EU ass at every opportunity.

Your turkishness don t allow you to see what really happen in WT today The Turkish consulate control everything and the Greek state don't react in the name of the good relation with Turkey.

It is not your fault really that you believe all this cheap propaganda that the Greek TV is spewing all around. The Turkish consulate controls everything in WT, ha?

1st Roma wrote to the US ambassador not pomak

Who gives a Gypsy the right to speak in the name of all Pomaks then?

2nd US embassy was trying to create minority problems and with this way to press the Greek government when the time is coming and EU is going decide about the obligation of Turkey against EU.

Things do often have simpler explanations. Stop seeing conspiracies behind every US move. US human rights organizations regularly criticize countries on their minority records.

3nd Muslim Roma send this letter to the us embassy telling them that they have to protect them also not only the Muslim Turkish minority and protect them from the Turkish consulate.

I can imagine Romas seeking refuge in the US consulate because of the opression of the Turkish consulate against them.  I do not know whether Romas need protection in Thrace from the Turkish counsulate, probably they do. Glad you are writing to the US embassy to ask for that. But just to clarify things here - are we talking about those same Roma whose cartbox houses your government tore down, who you chased out of the streets of Athens and hid from the objectives during the Olybic games, and whom Nikos Papadimas was complaining of not being able to paint in white?



Edited by bg_turk - 26-Nov-2006 at 11:21