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    Posted: 02-Nov-2006 at 07:21
Liked the original article, many a true word spoken. To recognise your enemy for what he really is, always helps to defeat him.
In the end, it doesn't really matter if the Hezbollah are terrorists or not. There are far worse things than terrorists.
Religious fundamentalist groups, for example, that attempt to force their specific branch of medieval and intolerant belief on to their own population, trying to eliminate all opposition, trying to export their religious extremism onto their neighbouring countries, express hate for all that don't share the faith.
Doesn't matter if they're Christian, Islamic, Hindu etc.
It's up to you to decide if Hezbollah fits the desription.


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  Quote Leonidas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Nov-2006 at 07:23
Vivek, lets not confuse hezbollah with other organistions.

 The launching of rockets was retalition for the bombings, they offered to stop if isreal stopped. Isreal decided that it wanted to fight it out, we need to understand that it should be treated as it treats others. The allies seeked out similar retailion agaist the german/japanese cities of WW2, so i cant understand how this gets the 'terrorist' label while others dont. this is completelty subjective

Even though we can moralise about the civilian deaths, all hezbollah did is act as equals, even if its equals in terror. For hezbollah to accept those terrible bombings and take the moral high ground and not retailiate would mean that they also have to act as the weaker of the two. It didnt and i think they answered the isreali well.

Why shouldnt isreal just talk to them and give back the 2,000 or so hostages it kidnaped?




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  Quote Vivek Sharma Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Nov-2006 at 07:34
It would be ready f they gave up the terrorist ways. everything was going well with the PLO, but Hizbolla wanted to be the true leader.
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  Quote Leonidas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Nov-2006 at 07:52
Originally posted by Ponce de Leon

Hezbollah on the other hand have killed innocents on purpose
if hezbollah wanted to kill lots of isrealis, a few well placed human/car bombs would of killed allot more people than those pissy rockets. It also would of been cheaper and is well within their capability. The use of those rockets was more of 'we can' and 'we will' when the fight was on, pyschological more than deadly.

Originally posted by Ponce de Leon

  You say that Israel and the US may have killed innocent civilians but only because it was a mistake.
When you target an area/building (with questionable intellignece) that is populated with civilians you make the choice to kill them. No one makes Isreal do this, they choose to wage war and pull the trigger. There are choices in how they can handle this and they chose that path by; not talking, not returning lebanese hostages and simply treating lebanon/lebanese with disdain. 

Originally posted by Ponce de Leon

You also have to admit that each time an innocent Lebanese dies a smile goes on a hezbo's face because that will make the israeli's look worse, but of course wen an israeli dies it doesnt get too much sympathy from the media.
you have admit you have demonised them in your mind beyond anything close reality. No one cheers for their own dead. these guys are lebanese

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Originally posted by Vivek Sharma

It would be ready f they gave up the terrorist ways. everything was going well with the PLO, but Hizbolla wanted to be the true leader.
what is their terrorist ways?

how are they connected to the PLO?

isreal is negotioting the release of the lebanese hostages, do you know why? becasue it easier  and well, more civilised to talk rather than to fight. dont you agree?


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  Quote Spartakus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Nov-2006 at 12:21
To whom?To Israeli Army ,of course.
 
Let me clear out for you,
 
war:army vs army
terrorism:army vs unarmed civilians
 
And that's it.The rest are simply details.
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  Quote hugoestr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Nov-2006 at 13:25
Please read again the opening article.

What the conservative author is saying is that the West makes a mistake by using good vs. evil labels like terrorism.

By calling Hezbollah a terrorist organization, we in the West fail to understand them. And by failing to understand them, the West will either fail in war against them or fail to reach any agreements.

It is very easy to call Hezbollah a terrorist organization that should be bombed. Well, Israel did just that, and failed at destroying it.

Hezbollah's role, if the description of the author is to be believed, is so complex that we don't even have a word to describe such organizations in English. It is a political party, a militia, a charity, and a terrorist organization, at the very least.
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  Quote Spartakus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Nov-2006 at 15:37
Israeli pollicies are terrorist,no doubt about that.
 
Hezbollah did or did not launched missiles in civilian targets?It did.Therefore,it's actions are purely terroristic.
 
I am so bored to hear that the West fails to understand this and fails to understand that .Just because they are muslims,this does not mean that they came from planet Mars for God's Shake!They are humans in flesh,just everybody in the entire planet.What,the pain of a Muslim mother loosing it's child from Israeli bullet is different from the pain of an Isreali mother that loses her child from a Hezbollah missile or from the pain of a  Vietnamese mother that lost her child from American bombs, or from the pain of a Russian mother that lost her child in the war against the Nazis back in WWII or from the pain of an American mother that lost her child in Iraq or Afganistan from kamikaze attacks?Don't bloody think so.
 
Your conservative author needs to get on the frontlines ,get shot from a bullet and then right about terrorism or not.
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  Quote Ponce de Leon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Nov-2006 at 16:58
like many of you say, it is all in the eye of the beholder of who is a terrorist and who is not. I for one do not see Israeli policies as acts of terrorism. I see them as acts of self-defense
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  Quote Spartakus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Nov-2006 at 17:07

BS.Terrorist is the one who attacks or terrorizes unarmed and without any power populations.Goverments,Companies,Organizations,Armies,common people can become terrorists.

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  Quote Northman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Nov-2006 at 17:56
Originally posted by Ponce de Leon

like many of you say, it is all in the eye of the beholder of who is a terrorist and who is not. I for one do not see Israeli policies as acts of terrorism. I see them as acts of self-defense
 
Ponce - its not all black and white. Try to see beyond the Bush doctrine "We are the good guys - we go and get them bad guys". Look for reasons.
 
Israel is the agressor in the Middel East and their behavior is the reason and excuse for all modern terrorism, with the first act of terror at the 1972 Olympics in Munich by Palestinian terrorists - just 5 years after Israel occupied Palestine.
They are still occupying Palestine, making the life for the citizens as bad as possible.

They do it for religious reasons, and they CAN do it because the radical Christians and Jews in Washington is lobbying (pays) the politicians to condone it. Do you think this is right?
 
They also slaughtered lots of civilians in Beiruth in Lebanon and they continue to do so.
How can you think these people wont fight back any way they can - just like the Danish freedomfighters who killed occupying German troops during WWII. Were they terrorists too?
 
What we call terrorism is just THE way they CAN fight back - that isnt so hard to understand.
Hezbolla fight as soldiers, not as terrorists.
 
We should never condone terrorism - but neither should we ever condone the acts of Israel.
 


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  Quote hugoestr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Nov-2006 at 17:57
Originally posted by Spartakus

Israeli pollicies are terrorist,no doubt about that.


Hezbollah did or did not launched missiles in civilian targets?It did.Therefore,it's actions are purely terroristic.


I am so bored to hear that the West fails to understand this and fails to understand that .Just because they are muslims,this does not mean that they came from planet Mars for God's Shake!They are humans in flesh,just everybody in the entire planet.What,the pain of a Muslim mother loosing it's child from Israeli bullet is different from the pain of an Isreali mother that loses her child from a Hezbollah missile or from the pain of a Vietnamese mother that lost her child from American bombs, or from the pain of a Russian mother that lost her child in the war against the Nazis back in WWII or from the pain of an American mother that lost her child in Iraq or Afganistan from kamikaze attacks?Don't bloody think so.


Your conservative author needs to get on the frontlines ,get shot from a bullet and then right about terrorism or not.


I agree with your statement. But the interesting thing about the conservative author is that he is willing to admit that Hezbollah is more complex than just being "the bad guys."

One cannot negotiate with the "bad guys." One can negotiate with a political party or with an NGO.


I am hopeful that more people will follow his lead, and grant the proper respect to these groups, the Middle East, and Islam, and listen to what they say, and attempt to meet their needs wherever it is possible.

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  Quote Spartakus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Nov-2006 at 18:08
In a conflict both parties that are involved, have "bad guys".
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  Quote Leonidas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Nov-2006 at 05:38
fck i just got zapped, there goes a long post.

Ive had difficulty accepting that label in general or more accuartly how it gets thorwon around without much thought, and in particular pidgeon holing hezbollah with that word.

It doesnt do them justice and i dont think those rockets qualify unless you apply that label to every nation in ww2. yet when such labels get used to describe those actions i keep hearing, its not the same because 'thats war' or 'we had to'

So, can terrorist action/s be the definitive measure of this organiation? When isreal or any other country use excess force in war do they simply become a terrorist state, or a state that conducted a terrorist act?






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Originally posted by Ponce de Leon

like many of you say, it is all in the eye of the beholder of who is a terrorist and who is not. I for one do not see Israeli policies as acts of terrorism. I see them as acts of self-defense
 
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  Quote hugoestr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Nov-2006 at 17:30
Originally posted by Spartakus

In a conflict both parties that are involved, have "bad guys".

    

Well, of course You can't bring yourself to kill people who have children just like yourself. Without dehumanizing the enemy, very few people would be able to commit violence against them.

The hard part is to get out of this vision of conflict and attempt to solve problems in a manner that gives respect to your enemy.
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  Quote Vivek Sharma Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Nov-2006 at 03:09
Originally posted by Spartakus

To whom?To Israeli Army ,of course.
 
Let me clear out for you,
 
war:army vs army
terrorism:army vs unarmed civilians
 
And that's it.The rest are simply details.
 
And what about :
 
Armed civilians hiding behind unarmed civilians vs the army.
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  Quote Vivek Sharma Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Nov-2006 at 03:35
 
 
One of the main reasons behind hizbolla being labelled as terrorists is that they are muslims. I will share how the images of the two factions reversed in India over a small time period.
 
 
Hizbolla & PLO were very popular in India till a few years ago. Infact I was myself a great fan of both especially Yaseer Arafat & counted myself extremely fortunate in having met him personally, as a part of the Platoon, which gave him one of the standard Military Guard of Honour & later interacted with him, the image of an old charismatic man with a pistol tucked to his side, but still looking very affectionate was very emotional. In those days almost all Indians were dead against Israel.
 
What turned the tide here was the rise of Islamic militancy in India. Whenever a few pelestinians were killed or some Lebanese muslims killed, the Indian muslims would be out on the streets, protesting against the US & Israel, burining their effigies etc.., but when hundreds of hindus would be killed by islamic terrorists in single events, there would be no protest from them, in fact these events would be celebrated & the perpretrators termed by them as Heros of Jihad. 
 
In the last battle between Hizbolla & Israel, about 500 hizbolla people died. The whole of the muslim world, including the indian muslims were up & out on the streets protesting this as ghastardly Act. But at the same time serial bomb explosions in local trains in Bombay & other terror attacks by the islamic terrorists killed around a thousand hindus in India. No voices of protest by indian muslims were heard on the streets against the killing of more than a 1000 hindus, living amongst them, while they were too keen on protesting against the killing of 500 muslims by israel in a land far away. Not to be left at this, the killing of 1000 hindus was secretly celebtrated by them as an act of islamic Jihad. 
 
It was due to continually recurring instances & tendencies like this that the Image of the israelis turned from oppressors to the opressed & Hizbolla came to be increasingly identified as islamic terrorists.


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Armed civilians hiding behind unarmed civilians vs the army

= Propaganda.
Usually you don't try to isolate your support base. If this happened, Hezbullah wouldn't have half the support it does.
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No, this is how the terrorists develop support. Any incident like above will lead to reprisals, which will inadvertantly affect some civilians also. These affected will become the new supporters. Their sufferings would be projected out to enlist more support on the premise of brotherhood. That is how it operates. 
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  Quote Leonidas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Nov-2006 at 07:02
Originally posted by Vivek Sharma

Armed civilians hiding behind unarmed civilians vs the army.
how about hezbi fighters using bunkers and tunnels and isreal bombing blind. Read about the war before you make commentary.

hezbi fighters fought like soldiers.


Originally posted by Vivek Sharma

One of the main reasons behind hizbolla being labelled as terrorists is that they are muslims.
OMG your rightClap
 
Originally posted by Vivek Sharma

Hizbolla & PLO were very popular in India till a few years ago.
these are unrelated organisations with different support bases, different politics and different tactics. But they are both arab. stop conecteing hezbollah with other organistions unless you can prove a link. Otherwise you show complete ignorance about hezbollah.

Originally posted by Vivek Sharma

In the last battle between Hizbolla & Israel, about 500 hizbolla people died. The whole of the muslim world, including the indian muslims were up & out on the streets protesting this as ghastardly Act.
everyone was protesting about the civilian deaths, no one can confirm or quantify the hezbi deaths to this day. But you regard those civilians as 'passive' terrorists and fair game, and dont recognise the injustice those bombings caused. So ovoiusly those protests were pro-hezbollahDead
 
Originally posted by Vivek Sharma

It was due to continually recurring instances & tendencies like this that the Image of the israelis turned from oppressors to the opressed & Hizbolla came to be increasingly identified as islamic terrorists.
If your right then thats because they make the same mistake as you.  hope your wrong here to

BTW this thread  is not about india


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