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Turk Nomad 
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 Topic: Who is the greatest Turkic leader? (REVISED LIST)Posted: 01-Nov-2006 at 03:36 |
İs problem my english?I mean "original,non-mixed".
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mamikon
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Posted: 01-Nov-2006 at 09:52 |
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ohhhhh, I see now, good work
 its a good thing you can prove that too, cause I have starting to have doubts about his purity, not anymore though! |
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Krum
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Posted: 01-Nov-2006 at 11:43 |
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I think that the poll should be greatesh turkish leader not turk.I dont know for you but i distinguish turks in turkey and turks as a ethnic group.It seem that many others dont.
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NikeBG
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Posted: 01-Nov-2006 at 12:15 |
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That's why the poll is about "Turkic leader" (the bigger box) and not simply "Turkish leader" (the smaller box).
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Anton
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Posted: 01-Nov-2006 at 12:19 |
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Who is the guy named Atilla the Hun? Did you mean Attila the Hun?
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Bulldog
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Posted: 01-Nov-2006 at 14:56 |
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Could those who vote please give reasons for their choice, there seems to be an awfull lot of "Atilla" or Attila (just for you Anton
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borudjin
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Posted: 06-Nov-2006 at 03:08 |
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the stance of turks from turkey shows why all the other turkic nations hate them! panturkism can never work, when turks form turkey try to prove groups like kazaks or kyrghyz are mongols, and place mostly ottoman sultans in this poll. Edited by barbar - 06-Nov-2006 at 09:19 |
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Mortaza
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Posted: 06-Nov-2006 at 03:21 |
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why dont you atleast read it?
I agree, Turks are little to Turkey centered,, but noone called kazak or kırgız as mongol..
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Bulldog
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Posted: 06-Nov-2006 at 14:23 |
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when turks form turkey try to prove groups like kazaks or kyrghyz are mongols, and place mostly ottoman sultans in this poll.
You can add your own addition if its bothering you so much, there are only two Ottoman Sultan's, previously there was one but due to popular support I added a second one.
Timur
Atilla
Mete Khan
Babur Han
Bilge Khan
Nadir Shah
AlpArslan
are not Ottoman Sultan's, 80% of the list is non-Ottoman I tried to include a great Turkic leader from each region.
If you arn't satisfied tell me who has been missed out and why he/she should be included.
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borudjin
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Posted: 07-Nov-2006 at 04:47 |
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Here would be my list Genghis Khan
Batu Khan
Attilla
Kanuni Suleiman
Timurlenk
Baybars(he was a kipchak)
Oyuzhan
Ataturk cannot be considered a turkic leader! only real proven turkic lineage should be the criteria, not the turkish republic definition of a turk- language, culture and identity.
geez dont you guys listen at all to nihal atsiz. i mean he was a crazy fascist but at least he made the distinction between turks
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borudjin
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Posted: 07-Nov-2006 at 04:48 |
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i forgot babur khan |
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Bulldog
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Posted: 07-Nov-2006 at 08:52 |
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You put Genghiz Khan in but have a problem with AtaTurk being there, I find it ironic as Genghiz never proclaimed to be a Turk while Mustafa Kemal Pasha did. I agree that Baybars was also a great leader but who would he replace on the list in your opinion/?Also give your reason's as to why you have picked those leaders please.
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Batu
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Posted: 12-Nov-2006 at 16:30 |
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Saladin is not on the list:( and Mehmet II wasnt a military genius.he
was beaten many times.Kadı Burhaneddin beat him,2 times Albanians,and
the plans of the assault on Constaninopole didnt belogng to him.he was
a good scientist though( first mortar cannon was invented by him).
Ataturk is the best Turkish leader.maybe the best of the world.and his actions effected the world very much. |
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gok_toruk
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Posted: 13-Nov-2006 at 03:26 |
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Maybe it's better to change the name to 'The Greatest Turkish Leaders'. Where's people like Manas? |
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Sajaja bramani totari ta, raitata raitata, radu ridu raitata, rota.
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Bulldog
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Posted: 13-Nov-2006 at 09:58 |
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If anybody has a problem, explain who you think should be added and why and then we can have a discussion.
Manas? I thought it was an epic legend. |
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Guests
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Posted: 13-Nov-2006 at 10:13 |
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İt is about a Kyrguz Turk:Manas
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Posted: 13-Nov-2006 at 10:17 |
Kazaks and Kyrguzs are more original Turks from Turkish,Turkish Turks are heavily mixed,but they are still Turks and ı think we must call them "Turkic".
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rider
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Posted: 13-Nov-2006 at 12:54 |
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Oh, and who was Tamerlame? It seems you have crushed one of your national heroes into being 'lame'...
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Bulldog
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Posted: 13-Nov-2006 at 13:34 |
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Rider
Oh, and who was Tamerlame? It seems you have crushed one of your national heroes into being 'lame'... Thanks for your input, however, if you could return when you have something a little more mature and relevant to add it would be most appreciated. When you have "Moderator" behaving like this, well what can you say, how responsible 
Edited by Bulldog - 13-Nov-2006 at 14:13 |
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What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world remains and is immortal.
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Seko
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Posted: 13-Nov-2006 at 14:06 |
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I assume you kept Tamerlame instead of Timurlenk to adhere to the english spelling. By the way, rider is a moderator not 'Admin'.
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) and Attila and Tamerlane got 6 and 3 respectively...just wondering but what did Attila actually do that made him so great?
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