Pope's gaffe?

      I suppose the Pope's latest speech in Bavaria deserves to be discussed. Let's keep it decent.


PARIS (AFP) -   Pope Benedict XVI was facing sharp reactions to a lecture in which he linked Islam with violence, with Muslim leaders in several countries demanding he apologise.

"We hope that the Church will very quickly... clarify its position so that it does not confuse Islam, which is a revealed religion, with Islamism, which is not a religion but a political ideology," the head of the French Council for the Muslim Religion (CFCM), Dalil Boubakeur, told AFP Thursday.

Benedict provoked the outcry with comments on Tuesday in a theological lecture to staff and students at the University of Regensburg, in the most political part of a largely personal visit to his native Bavaria in southern Germany.

Couching his criticism in a historical reference to a 14th century Byzantine emperor, the pope implicitly denounced connections between Islam and violence, particularly with regard to jihad, or "holy war".

"He said, I quote, 'Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached,'" Benedict said, quoting the Byzantine source on the Prophet Mohammed, founder of the Muslim faith.

The comments provoked an outcry among Muslims in several countries...


Looks like the Pope should join AE for a lesson on proper protocol and the art of identifying misnomers versus bigotry.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060914/wl_afp/vaticanpopeislam_060914160443

THe Pope is too good for anything over here. Seriously he is too good for almost anything in the world

He served in the army. I think he must be the first pope for 1500 years to have seen action.

Loknar, why does the western world broadcast  al qaeda tapes that calls for its destruction 'like doom is around the corner and we need to fight this terror'?
(though honestly they dont get taken as seroiusly like they use to)

... sorry difference is al qaeda represent a tincy-wincy %  of the muslim world and the patriach in rome the largest and most powerful (schismastic) church.

BTW is there any context on that quote?  context is the key before i judge

I think oecumenism must have limits. If the CEO of Coca Cola was saying Pespi taste like sh*te, use child workers and has only brought to the world obesity and rotten teeth, nobody would think there is any problem.

Why the hell when the pope is saying "we're better and the other one is worse" every body screams? Besides one must realize that if somebody must feel threaten here it is the Pope himself. What is going on with catholicism nowadays? Protestant, atheist and muslim are progressing nobody wants to be a priest any longer they are all dying out. We must get used to a Pope fighting back for his life.

Incidently I'm quite close to agree with him yet I'd argue Jesus didn't do much better. I mean both have a pretty bad record even if personally they must have been good fellows.

paraphrasing or quoting another so to show what  bad logic or thought sounds like would be context that is not offensive. I'm a little bit skeptical, beuase of the way the cartoon thing was spread, and that if it is true that would be MASSIVE.

 lets not jump at shadows, but i'm in no way defending that preist.



Edited by Leonidas - 15-Sep-2006 at 12:04

I lost the original post so this one is a bit more decent Seko.

What I don't understand is that while Vatican decides to "overuse" its "freedom of speech" during wrong times on sensitive issues against over sensitive people, you can see no true Muslim, Hindu, or Confician authorities which is interested in stating any provocative words against any other religion.

Edited by Bashibozuk - 15-Sep-2006 at 15:06

As Greek this Pope make some quotes that historical the previous Saint Fathers was very difficult to said.

Edited by akritas - 15-Sep-2006 at 16:56

Glad to have his full script.