Balochistan - Start of civil war?

Originally posted by TeldeInduz Originally posted by Digvijay Originally posted by Sparten They are 63 tribes. 3 Have a problem. And the Afghanis learnt their lesson back in 1961 at Bajur. And mots of them live here anyhow.   Finally pakistan has nukes, so what you say is a moot point.   Not really. Pashtuns of NWFP are really not under Paki central control and Paki army *rarely* shows the courage to enter the tribal strongholds. Similarly in Baloochistan ordinary balooch is fed up of discrimination meted out to them and want more control of there area so that infrastructure develops and they can lead a better life. And yes that province is on the brink of civil war. -Digs   Vivek, ordinary Baloch are not fighting. The Sardars like Bugti, were holding back development to gain support of the people.   NWFP is under central government control - FATA is not really.

Get you bearings right Malizai or is it Sparten?
I am not known as Vivek.

Ordinary Baloch is up in arms. You are towing the party line. It ain't gonna work. Bugti did represent the national Baloch sentiment.

-Digs

Originally posted by TeldeInduz   95% of Balochis arent doing anything. 5% of Balochis which represent a couple of thousand people are striking and protesting. More than half od Balochis are glad the Sardar is gone. look at the election results, most ordinary Balochis voted PML-Q, the man who was chasing Bugti. Most ordinary Balochis do not want Sardarism - they want development. Sardarism is holding them back. Even Bugti's own tribe had deserted him.

Can you back that up? Link?

Why cant Pak hold a plebsitice in Baloochistan & let the people decide for themselves what they want. This would surely be the best way to end this problem. As pointed out by telde & others, nobody supports these baloochi nationalists. They also dont get the votes in the election. Neither the people of Pakistan nor those of baloochistan are with these sardars or whatever they are called. The problem seems to be just a handiwork of Iran, Afghanistan & India for their own vested interests.

Another factor is that Pak is no longer a military autocracy or dictatorship. It has becaome a full fledged mature democracy which guarantees freedom & liberty to all its individuals & has become the most powerfull & one of the most prosperous developing countries capable of beating anybody in the world (they did destroy the Soviets in Afghanistan, routed India four times, helped the US defeat Saddam,s regime & stopped the Al Qaida). They are at the forefront of promoting peace & harmony in the whole world (they have banned so many terrorist organisations).

A plebstice in Baloochistan would have multiple benefits :
1.    It will put an end to the balooch problem once & for all. After all who can dispute a democratically held poll under the UN. They are going to win handsdown anyway & the baloochi nationalist will not be able to show their face!

2.   It will Further bolster the already good image of Pakistan as a protector of democracy, freedom & liberty.

3.   It will serve as a good warning to Iran, Afghanistan & India to stop their perverted interests in fostering  undesirable  events & consequesnces in  another free country's internal affairs & show them the true might of Pakistan

4.   The biggest beneficiaries will be the balooch people. With the final end of disturbance & establishment of full peace, they will be able to live happily thereafter.

5. Pak can further develop its economy be leaps & bounds by inviting more Chinese companies to produce oil, thereby benefitting the whole population of Pak with the resultant economic prosparity akin to the oil boom of the mid east.

6.   With its already powerfull military & the history of being a peace loving & promoting nation & the new found economic boom in the form of oil riches, it can challenge the pre eminent position of Saudi as the leader of the Sunni muslim world & replace it.

Is it ? Sorry, I was not aware. Will you please post some links to that effect. I think the disturbance started after that & has incresed in the recent past. So a plebstice is more beneficial to Pak now.

Its not only the balooch  problem which will be solved,  look at the other bigger benefits I have mentioned

Originally posted by Vivek Sharma Why cant Pak hold a plebsitice in Baloochistan & let the people decide for themselves what they want. This would surely be the best way to end this problem. As pointed out by telde & others, nobody supports these baloochi nationalists. They also dont get the votes in the election. Neither the people of Pakistan nor those of baloochistan are with these sardars or whatever they are called. The problem seems to be just a handiwork of Iran, Afghanistan & India for their own vested interests. Another factor is that Pak is no longer a military autocracy or dictatorship. It has becaome a full fledged mature democracy which guarantees freedom & liberty to all its individuals & has become the most powerfull & one of the most prosperous developing countries capable of beating anybody in the world (they did destroy the Soviets in Afghanistan, routed India four times, helped the US defeat Saddam,s regime & stopped the Al Qaida). They are at the forefront of promoting peace & harmony in the whole world (they have banned so many terrorist organisations). A plebstice in Baloochistan would have multiple benefits : 1.    It will put an end to the balooch problem once & for all. After all who can dispute a democratically held poll under the UN. They are going to win handsdown anyway & the baloochi nationalist will not be able to show their face! 2.   It will Further bolster the already good image of Pakistan as a protector of democracy, freedom & liberty. 3.   It will serve as a good warning to Iran, Afghanistan & India to stop their perverted interests in fostering  undesirable  events & consequesnces in  another free country's internal affairs & show them the true might of Pakistan 4.   The biggest beneficiaries will be the balooch people. With the final end of disturbance & establishment of full peace, they will be able to live happily thereafter. 5. Pak can further develop its economy be leaps & bounds by inviting more Chinese companies to produce oil, thereby benefitting the whole population of Pak with the resultant economic prosparity akin to the oil boom of the mid east. 6.   With its already powerfull military & the history of being a peace loving & promoting nation & the new found economic boom in the form of oil riches, it can challenge the pre eminent position of Saudi as the leader of the Sunni muslim world & replace it.

Leave it to Pakistan to clamp down on an entity which is attacking the state institutions.

Leave it to India to have more insurgencies than most countries have provinces.

Originally posted by Vivek Sharma Why cant Pak hold a plebsitice in Baloochistan & let the people decide for themselves what they want. This would surely be the best way to end this problem. As pointed out by telde & others, nobody supports these baloochi nationalists. They also dont get the votes in the election. Neither the people of Pakistan nor those of baloochistan are with these sardars or whatever they are called. The problem seems to be just a handiwork of Iran, Afghanistan & India for their own vested interests. Another factor is that Pak is no longer a military autocracy or dictatorship. It has becaome a full fledged mature democracy which guarantees freedom & liberty to all its individuals & has become the most powerfull & one of the most prosperous developing countries capable of beating anybody in the world (they did destroy the Soviets in Afghanistan, routed India four times, helped the US defeat Saddam,s regime & stopped the Al Qaida). They are at the forefront of promoting peace & harmony in the whole world (they have banned so many terrorist organisations). A plebstice in Baloochistan would have multiple benefits : 1.    It will put an end to the balooch problem once & for all. After all who can dispute a democratically held poll under the UN. They are going to win handsdown anyway & the baloochi nationalist will not be able to show their face! 2.   It will Further bolster the already good image of Pakistan as a protector of democracy, freedom & liberty. 3.   It will serve as a good warning to Iran, Afghanistan & India to stop their perverted interests in fostering  undesirable  events & consequesnces in  another free country's internal affairs & show them the true might of Pakistan 4.   The biggest beneficiaries will be the balooch people. With the final end of disturbance & establishment of full peace, they will be able to live happily thereafter. 5. Pak can further develop its economy be leaps & bounds by inviting more Chinese companies to produce oil, thereby benefitting the whole population of Pak with the resultant economic prosparity akin to the oil boom of the mid east. 6.   With its already powerfull military & the history of being a peace loving & promoting nation & the new found economic boom in the form of oil riches, it can challenge the pre eminent position of Saudi as the leader of the Sunni muslim world & replace it.

Is this some extra subtle form of sarcasm? Even a pakistani nationalist wouldn't type so much over such a broad spectrum.

Originally posted by Sparten You do a plebicite in Assam, Nagaland Kashmir, and then we will think about it.

My dear friend, this thread is about Balochistan. Let us stick to the subject. We could have another thread for the names you mentioned.

Originally posted by TeldeInduz   The NorthEast and even Tamil Nadu dont really even want to be with the Punjab based Delhi government. Autonomous State Demand Comittee won every single seat in Karbi Anglong district. Now North Cachar seats are also won by them. They have a right to autonomy, but arent given it.

Tamil Nadu is very different to the other ones. The main problems Tamil's have is that they feel Hindi is being forced apon them. Other problems include lack of funds being sent their way and the lack of protection of fishermen in international waters.

Tell you the truth I partly agree with them. My solution would be to make a second capital in Bangalore and allow them to govern Southern India alot more effectivly than Dehli is.

From what I've seen the independence movement is now merely a few intellectuals and college students and if this is the case then it reminds me of a article I read about Gujarat. It stated that Gujarat and Maharastra should leave the ROI (Republic of India) as these are the two most industrialised states and funds are being diverted to the rest of the country. I don't think anybody seriously expects both Gujarat and Maharastra gain independence.

If there was a strong movement in Tamil Nadu even then they wouldn't gain independence simply because Tamil Nadu does so much for the rest of India. Have a look at this Wikipedia page (i now your dislike for it, but these figures arn't made up):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamil_Nadu

Pay close attention to the Industry and Mining sections.