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    Posted: 10-Aug-2005 at 07:00

Do you know the origin of Turkish baglama and Greek baglamas (similar instruments but their sizes are different)?

Its origin is the verb baglamak: to tie

Their frets are made of tied strings so that you can slide it over the fret board. I don't know if Greeks fixed the frets in time...
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I am not an expert in musical instrument history, so I will leave this to someone with more expertise or insight.
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I'm an amateur musician interested in Balcan folk musics and rock...
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I have great talent in listening to music...
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Then listen to some Turkish zeybeks, you'll like them, I hope

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I will, at home, because I don't have speakers on my work pc.
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Fixed:

atlet - athlitis (greek)
baba - babas (international)
bre - vre (mediterranean)
eksen - axonas (greek)
fisek - fiseki (persian&greek) (I am sure that fisek is persian origin)
harita - hartis (greek)
iskarpin - skarpini (italian)
isteri - ysteria (greek)
kemence - kementzes (laz)
kulube - kalyva (persian&greek)
kuzine - kouzina (spanish)
mikrop - mikrobio (greek)
pantolon - panteloni (italian)
portakal - portokali (Portugal)
sabun - sapuni (greek) 
teneke - tenekes (latin)






 


 
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"Baba" isnt international, it is Turkish. You may have Pope or Peder, but Baba is Turkish.
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Originally posted by Oguzoglu

"Baba" isnt international, it is Turkish. You may have Pope or Peder, but Baba is Turkish.

Well, the French say "papa", the same do Italians with a stress on first "a".
English sometimes say "paps", which comes directly from the same root.
I am not sure what other languages say, but I bet that there are some similar ones out there.
I don't know, but it sounds international to me...
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Or in Russian: babushka "grandmother," from baba "peasant woman"

Oguzoglu, what is the etymology of the word in Turkish? Check your dictionary...

 

edit: Wow, I tried to check it myself and instead found this: http://www.compmore.net/~tntr/tur1.html 



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so Sumerian were Turks

this is new.

 

 



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Kemence is persian word.

It derives from KAMAANCHA: Kamaan meas arrow or a kind of musical instrument

And-Cha is a dimunitive suffix.

KAMAANCHA means little Kamaan

t came into Turkish as KEMENCE according to vowel harmony rules and it is definitely neither Greek nor Laz but Pesian as Kamaancha and Turkish as Kemenche.
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Originally posted by kotumeyil

Do you know the origin of Turkish baglama and Greek baglamas (similar instruments but their sizes are different)?

Its origin is the verb baglamak: to tie

Their frets are made of tied strings so that you can slide it over the fret board. I don't know if Greeks fixed the frets in time...

to tie but to tie what?

It means to tie in general but in in that contexts it means to tie words  that is make links between words that is to compose. and baglama means an instrument to compose songs.
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Wow - that's science!!!

And I have a contribution, fully endorsing his methodology:
Polat = Paulos = Paul = bowl
Kaya = kaka = kaka



This Polat Kaya is full of it...


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Originally posted by Tangriberdi

Originally posted by kotumeyil

Do you know the origin of Turkish baglama and Greek baglamas (similar instruments but their sizes are different)?

Its origin is the verb baglamak: to tie

Their frets are made of tied strings so that you can slide it over the fret board. I don't know if Greeks fixed the frets in time...

to tie but to tie what?

It means to tie in general but in in that contexts it means to tie words  that is make links between words that is to compose. and baglama means an instrument to compose songs.

No I'm sure about what I said. Do you know the frets (perde)? The frets are  made by tieing a string after wrapping it around the fretboard several times.  

Look at the frets...

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Maybe those words "baba, papa" etc. were the first sounds that a baby can make, so it became the name for father. I dont know.
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Originally posted by Tangriberdi

Kemence is persian word.

It derives from KAMAANCHA: Kamaan meas arrow or a kind of musical instrument

And-Cha is a dimunitive suffix.

KAMAANCHA means little Kamaan

t came into Turkish as KEMENCE according to vowel harmony rules and it is definitely neither Greek nor Laz but Pesian as Kamaancha and Turkish as Kemenche.

You are right.

kemence - kementzes (persian)



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