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Topic: Nostradamus Prophecies
Posted By: Thracian
Subject: Nostradamus Prophecies
Date Posted: 23-Feb-2006 at 21:44

A great list of them can be found here in both Eng. and Fr.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/nos/ - http://www.sacred-texts.com/nos/

 




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Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 24-Feb-2006 at 01:24
Prediction. But when he doesn't give a date... how do you knwo what the heck is he talking about? 

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Posted By: tadamson
Date Posted: 24-Feb-2006 at 07:58
The poll is missing a button for   "heap of junk" 

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Posted By: Leonardo
Date Posted: 24-Feb-2006 at 08:32

The famous french scholar Georges Dumzil wrote a little book: "Le moyne noir en gris dedans Varennes".

He intended it only as a "divertissement" but the reading is very impressive



Posted By: Theophos
Date Posted: 24-Feb-2006 at 10:25
I have a large book about the prophecies of Nostradamus, explaining them but giving the original text as well. I'm not trying to demerit the man, but many verses can be translated in any manner you'd want them to mean. That is, interpretation of the verses is the key most of the times, and not the verses themselves.

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Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 24-Feb-2006 at 15:44
I agree with Teophos. Yet some prophecies are marked with clear dates. for instance Putin's ascenssion seem very clear in 1999: search for that date in the centuries and translate "mars" as march, not planet Mars - keep Angolmois as Mongols (as it's usually translated). 

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Posted By: Illuminati
Date Posted: 24-Feb-2006 at 15:53
his predictions on Napoleon and 9/11 were creepy. Remember, he wrote in weird poem-style with anagrams because it was dangerous to be seen as anyone who was trying to predict the future at his time. the catholic church was doing their usual "witch-hunting" at the time. His style of writing gave him the ability to pass his predictions off as stupid poems. 

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Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 24-Feb-2006 at 15:57
i now make a prediction : if you would publish this book today ,you would make a lot of money. first :the book second : the movie: the prediction part I to XI , merchandising : little predictions in boxes or instant predictions ,mix it with water and you will have a hot lunch,  prediction cartoons like muhammed says :  if you will publish it , i will forecast some cutted fingers and so on.



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Posted By: Imperator Invictus
Date Posted: 24-Feb-2006 at 21:51
The problem with the "predictions" is that that "predictions" are made after the event has occured.


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Posted By: docyabut
Date Posted: 25-Feb-2006 at 00:53
 Nostradamus is right if you read it right. It tells of the earthquakes of Calif( the new city) and of the war between  Abraham sons. 


Posted By: Sharrukin
Date Posted: 25-Feb-2006 at 15:50
California is neither a "city" nor "new".


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 25-Feb-2006 at 16:05
Originally posted by Imperator Invictus

The problem with the "predictions" is that that "predictions" are made after the event has occured.

I agree with that. It never says that on this month a major terrorist attack will take place on this place. I'm not impessed when people say Nostradamus predicted 9/11 after 9/11, but I would have been impressed if they gave a (concrete) warning for 9/11 beforehand.


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Posted By: Behi
Date Posted: 25-Feb-2006 at 16:12
& Do we expect WWIII???

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Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 25-Feb-2006 at 16:54
Originally posted by Land of Aryan

& Do we expect WWIII???


Yeap. Iran (or maybe Afghanistan) is going to invade Europe (Italy specially) with US permission but the Pagans of Scandinavia will defeat them eventually (or something like that).


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Posted By: Behi
Date Posted: 25-Feb-2006 at 17:15
Really??
Keep ready Maju, We are coming devildevil


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Posted By: Voyager
Date Posted: 25-Feb-2006 at 20:16
Originally posted by Imperator Invictus

The problem with the "predictions" is that that "predictions" are made after the event has occured.

You said it all. Nostradamus and all futurologists tell more about humans and their anxieties about the future than what is really going to happen. It is simply impossible to know the future because it hasn't yet happened.


Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 25-Feb-2006 at 22:09
Originally posted by Voyager

... the future because it hasn't yet happened.


Are you sure?


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Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 25-Feb-2006 at 22:20
Originally posted by Land of Aryan

Really??
Keep ready Maju, We are coming devildevil


I have nothing against Iranians, you know... but a Khomeinist invasion would be scary...

Anyhow N. can be wrong and I can be wrong in my interpretation as well...


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Posted By: ArmenianSurvival
Date Posted: 25-Feb-2006 at 22:57
     Wait, on the website with his predictions, why are they broken up into centuries I-X?


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Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 26-Feb-2006 at 00:02
Originally posted by ArmenianSurvival

     Wait, on the website with his predictions, why are they broken up into centuries I-X?


"The centuries" are a sequance of quatrains (poems of 4 verses) are organized in 10 centuries, mostly of 100 quatrains each but some with less. Then there are other related or unrelated prophecies.


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Posted By: Voyager
Date Posted: 26-Feb-2006 at 06:27
Originally posted by Maju

Originally posted by Voyager

... the future because it hasn't yet happened.


Are you sure?


I have this lousy habit of only speaking of what I'm sure.
Are you one of those persons that believes that life is already pre-determined by an "omnipotent force" such as God or Nature? Because if you do, I think that a history forum is not the right place for you.


Posted By: docyabut
Date Posted: 26-Feb-2006 at 11:05

49
Garden of the world near the new city,
In the path of the hollow mountains:
It will be seized and plunged into the Tub,
Forced to drink waters poisoned by sulfur.

 Calif?



Posted By: ArmenianSurvival
Date Posted: 26-Feb-2006 at 14:09
Originally posted by Maju

"The centuries" are a sequance of quatrains (poems of 4 verses) are organized in 10 centuries, mostly of 100 quatrains each but some with less. Then there are other related or unrelated prophecies.


     So why are they all called "predictions", when most of what he wrote already happened?


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Posted By: docyabut
Date Posted: 26-Feb-2006 at 16:34

 I- 87 Earthshaking fire from the center of the earth
will cause tremors around the New City.
Two great rocks will war for a long time,
then Arethusa will redden a new river.


 two great rocks will war together( tectonic plates)?

Arethusa  ( goddess of the stream of lava )

Garden of the world near the new city,
In the path of the hollow mountains:
It will be seized and plunged into the Tub,
Forced to drink waters poisoned by sulfur

hollow mountians( 16century view Of skyscrapers? )



Posted By: Komnenos
Date Posted: 26-Feb-2006 at 17:05
III- 91

In the city of the new-born bears,
the gates will open for those,
who fly high on currents of the north wind
and drink water from gilden cups.

Germany will win the WC in 2006.
Although you don't need Nostradamus to work that out.

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Posted By: Behi
Date Posted: 26-Feb-2006 at 17:29
I.70

Rain, famine and war will not cease in Persia;
too great a faith will betray the monarch.
Those (actions) started in France will end there,
a secret sign for on to be sparing.

intend to Khomieni & After islamic rev.??
if yes, 1st line is 100% true


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Posted By: docyabut
Date Posted: 27-Feb-2006 at 00:12

 III97
New law to occupy the new land
Towards Syria, Judea and Palestine:
The great barbarian empire to decay,
Before the Moon completes it cycle.

98
Two royal brothers will wage war so fiercely
That between them the war will be so mortal
That both will occupy the strong places:
Their great quarrel will fill realm and life.

Now this sounds like the sons of Abraham, a quarrel that still going on today.

I  don`t  really  believe in any prophecies,  however I like to try and figure them out.



Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 27-Feb-2006 at 02:12
Originally posted by Land of Aryan

I.70

Rain, famine and war will not cease in Persia;
too great a faith will betray the monarch.
Those (actions) started in France will end there,
a secret sign for on to be sparing.

intend to Khomieni & After islamic rev.??
if yes, 1st line is 100% true


I do agree that this century talks of the Islamic revolution.

How do you read the last verse?


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Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 27-Feb-2006 at 02:15
Originally posted by docyabut

 III97
New law to occupy the new land
Towards Syria, Judea and Palestine:
The great barbarian empire to decay,
Before the Moon completes it cycle.

98
Two royal brothers will wage war so fiercely
That between them the war will be so mortal
That both will occupy the strong places:
Their great quarrel will fill realm and life.

Now this sounds like the sons of Abraham, a quarrel that still going on today.

I  don`t  really  believe in any prophecies,  however I like to try and figure them out.



I do read the first quatrain as the fall of Ottoman Empire and the rise of Israel.

But the second does't mean to me what you see. Most quatrains seem isolated from each other, what makes their study frustrating... I imagine there's a numeric code to put the verses together in a coherent narration but I fail to find it.


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Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 27-Feb-2006 at 02:19
Originally posted by Voyager

Originally posted by Maju

Originally posted by Voyager

... the future because it hasn't yet happened.


Are you sure?


I have this lousy habit of only speaking of what I'm sure.
Are you one of those persons that believes that life is already pre-determined by an "omnipotent force" such as God or Nature? Because if you do, I think that a history forum is not the right place for you.


You are too sure of what you think you are sure. I don't believe in predestination but in the inexistence of time.

Time can only be mathematized as an imaginary number (square root of -1), what do you make out of that? What do you make out of the 10 dimensions that seem necesary to explain the Universe?

I say that we live in a videogame but that there is more outside it.


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Posted By: Socrates
Date Posted: 27-Feb-2006 at 04:34

Originally posted by Maju


I say that we live in a videogame but that there is more outside it.

Could it be that Maju believes in higher instances? 



Posted By: Scytho-Sarmatian
Date Posted: 27-Feb-2006 at 04:49
I've read several interpretations of Nostradamus, and they all seem to describe variations on the same theme.  The scenario goes something like this: sometime around the beginning of the 21st century, a force ("Mabus"--the Antichrist) will arise somewhere in Asia.  This force will come to dominate Asia, then it will commence a campaign of world conquest by joining forces with allies in the Islamic world.  The Eastern/Islamic forces would then invade Europe and launch attacks on their arch-enemies described by Nostradamus as "two brothers of the North."  These brothers are usually identified as America and its European allies, but sometimes Russia is described as partnered with America.  Eventually, however, some great hero (called "Prince Henry" by Nostradamus) will arise and lead the Western world to ultimate victory over Mabus.  Before that happens though, a great conflagration would ensue in a WWIII scenario in which weapons of mass destruction are used.


Posted By: Voyager
Date Posted: 27-Feb-2006 at 07:15
Originally posted by Maju



You are too sure of what you think you are sure. I don't believe in predestination but in the inexistence of time.

Time can only be mathematized as an imaginary number (square root of -1), what do you make out of that? What do you make out of the 10 dimensions that seem necesary to explain the Universe?

I say that we live in a videogame but that there is more outside it.

Your mental contortions will never cease to surprise me. Youve been talking about predestination and now you turn to inexistence of time. Well, for your information, history is about time. And a human time, not a time already made by gods or whatever and to which some enlightened humans have privileged access. If you dont believe in human time, then feel free to leave this forum.



Originally posted by docyabut

I  don`t  really  believe in any prophecies,  however I like to try and figure them out.


Oxymoron.



Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 27-Feb-2006 at 08:37
I never said that there is predestination. That term implies that the future WAS designed in the past. I don't think that's possible. The past and the future ARE created simultaneously both in this space-time and (probably) in the WHOLE.

As above, as below. As below, as above. 

If you dont believe in human time, then feel free to leave this forum.


I feel free to do it, naturally.


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Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 27-Feb-2006 at 08:47
Originally posted by Scytho-Sarmatian

I've read several interpretations of Nostradamus, and they all seem to describe variations on the same theme.  The scenario goes something like this: sometime around the beginning of the 21st century, a force ("Mabus"--the Antichrist) will arise somewhere in Asia.


There's an obsession with Mabus but this character is only mentioned once in all the Centuries.



 This force will come to dominate Asia, then it will commence a campaign of world conquest by joining forces with allies in the Islamic world.  The Eastern/Islamic forces would then invade Europe and launch attacks on their arch-enemies described by Nostradamus as "two brothers of the North."  These brothers are usually identified as America and its European allies, but sometimes Russia is described as partnered with America.  Eventually, however, some great hero (called "Prince Henry" by Nostradamus) will arise and lead the Western world to ultimate victory over Mabus.  Before that happens though, a great conflagration would ensue in a WWIII scenario in which weapons of mass destruction are used.


I am unable to conclude all that. To me the centuries seem to predict some events quite accurately (particularly those that are dated, but also others like the above mentioned of the Iranian revolution, Napoleon, Hitler and others). Yet the next quatrain seems to be talking about something totally unconnected in most cases.

I find impossible (so far) to reconstruct a foresighted history without what would seem to be a code to order the quatrains in a meaningful whole.

I don't see any WWIII as such but there's a mention to the "Crusaders arrayed in Mesopotamia" and then a mention to Persia or Carmania getting all the Near East for some time and bloody fight in Italy particularly.

But it can well be delusion...


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Posted By: Socrates
Date Posted: 28-Feb-2006 at 08:22

Originally posted by Maju


As above, as below. As below, as above. .

!!?? Maju knows about Hermes Trismegistos...and quotes it??Doesn't sound like any commie I know! Well done Maju!! That's the kind of communism we need!

Btw, it's true - there is no past and future in the way most of us imagine them...



Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 28-Feb-2006 at 21:50
Originally posted by ArmenianSurvival

Originally posted by Maju

"The centuries" are a sequance of quatrains (poems of 4 verses) are organized in 10 centuries, mostly of 100 quatrains each but some with less. Then there are other related or unrelated prophecies.


     So why are they all called "predictions", when most of what he wrote already happened?


Ehm... supposedly not. Supposedly the book contains information on what happened or will happen but always after N. wrote it (not before).


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Posted By: docyabut
Date Posted: 02-Mar-2006 at 04:33

The only code in the bible that was asked  to figure it out. 666

 A mark put on his people not to buy or sell without the mark.

Saddam Hussein (Mabus mirrored is "Sudam")

 

S/RES/687 (1991)
8 April 1991

RESOLUTION 687 (1991)
Adopted by the Security Council at its 2981st meeting, on 3 April 1991

The Security Council,

Recalling its resolutions 660 (1990) of 2 August 1990, 661 (1990) of 6 August 1990, 662 (1990) of 9 August 1990, 664 (1990) of 18 August 1990, 665 (1990) of 25 August 1990, 666 (1990) of 13 September 1990, 667 (1990) of 16 September 1990, 669 (1990) of 24 September 1990, 670 (1990) of 25 September 1990, 674 (1990) of 29 October 1990, 677 (1990) of 28 November 1990, 678 (1990) of 29 November 1990 and 686 (1991) of 2 March 1991,

 

http://www.iraqwatch.org/un/unscresolutions/s-res-687.htm - http://www.iraqwatch.org/un/unscresolutions/s-res-687.htm



Posted By: docyabut
Date Posted: 02-Mar-2006 at 04:38
how many sixes do you want


Posted By: azimuth
Date Posted: 02-Mar-2006 at 04:49

doea anyone has a pic of how these 666 are supposed to look like as a signe of the antichrist.

 



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Posted By: docyabut
Date Posted: 02-Mar-2006 at 05:20
Azimuth  this is just for fun , who  really knows what  Nostradamus Prophecies  were really all about


Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 02-Mar-2006 at 09:38
Originally posted by azimuth

doea anyone has a pic of how these 666 are supposed to look like as a signe of the antichrist.



That's not Nostradamian. N. doesn't talk of the Antichrist... the closest he comes is to mention a "King of Terror" - who is probably Boris Abramovich.

Most Bible enthusiasts insist that the 666 must be that figure: "six hundred sixty six", not just three 6s together as in the barcode or cabalistically reading WWW. Also in some versions of the Bible 666 must be in Hebrew, and 616 in Greek (other alphabets don't use letters to form numbers).


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Posted By: YusakuJon3
Date Posted: 12-Mar-2006 at 08:54
I went with the 'great writing' option since it's been more or less dismissed that Nostrodamus was a prophet of anything except for  the followers who see him that way.   Especially when you've got people coming out after an event has taken place and pointing to a quatrain saying "Look!  Nostrodamus pridicted this."   From that point, it becomes a religious belief rather than a riddle, which I'm certain that many secretly defiant individuals whose harmless pursuits had fallen under the evil eye of the Inquisition were doing at the time.

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Posted By: Anujkhamar
Date Posted: 14-Apr-2006 at 10:43
anybody wants to have a laugh check this site out:

http://us.geocities.com/svtmangalore/nostradamus.html - http://us.geocities.com/svtmangalore/nostradamus.html


Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 14-Apr-2006 at 14:41
If it's for a good erudite laugh, ok. But the translations given in the site are truly far fetched (they take Asia as India and worse things). Here you have a link where you can check the original in French and English translation: http://www.propheties.it/sitemap.htm - http://www.propheties.it/sitemap.htm

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Posted By: Northman
Date Posted: 14-Apr-2006 at 17:19

Why was Nostrademus so arrogant to believe that he could reason about time or events that might come - and reason about existence in a universe we hardly know?
Maybe there is an explanation to that.

Newton thought that time was a known factor - an unchangeable unit . Astrophysic has taught us it is not -  time is relative, and we know very little about that fact.
The concept of time we know is manmade - very old, and only valid in a narrow earthly human perspective.
Fur further readings on this I can recommend books by Steven Hawking, ie. "Hawkings Universe"  - a real eyeopener for laymen.

With our limited abilities, we think there are 3 dimensions. What if we still miss to discover and acknowledge 3 more - or 6?
What about the afterlife - if you believe in such. Is afterlife another dimension. Most religions includes an afterlife. When? Where?

The time and the universe is curved (accordingly to Einstein and Hawking)
That implies that all events does not happen along a sequently linear line - but in parallel timeframes (dimensions?)

Having a religious faith makes it very hard to exclude the existence of more dimensions. (Angels, spirits and ghosts has to be somewhere, as well as humans already there)
If we, hence the above, accept more dimensions - could it be possible that Nostrademus and other prophets had a view "over the fence"? - that they had an ability to see what was going on in another timeframe?

I dont know the answer - but would appreciate some reflections on this as I find it closely related to our perception of the past, present and future and thus - human history.



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Posted By: Anujkhamar
Date Posted: 14-Apr-2006 at 19:25
Originally posted by Maju

If it's for a good erudite laugh, ok. But the translations given in the site are truly far fetched (they take Asia as India and worse things). Here you have a link where you can check the original in French and English translation: http://www.propheties.it/sitemap.htm - http://www.propheties.it/sitemap.htm


yeh i realised that when i found it, thats why i thought some people (possibly you) would find it funny. It's seriosuly crazy the length's people would go to!

that put together with the idea of us taking on all of Europe


Posted By: Renegade
Date Posted: 14-Apr-2006 at 22:17
Originally posted by Maju

Prediction. But when he doesn't give a date... how do you knwo what the heck is he talking about? 


Exactlly what I thought...


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Posted By: QueenCleopatra
Date Posted: 19-Apr-2006 at 08:33

I'm normally a skeptic on this type of thing but I ahve to admit Nostradamus is a little too accurate in his predictions for comfort!

Out of the deepest part of the west of Europe                                               From poor people a young child shall be born, 
 Who with his tongue shall seduce many people, 
 His fame shall increase in the Eastern Kingdom. 

 He shall come to tyrannize the land. 
 He shall raise up a hatred that had long been dormant. 
The child of Germany observes no law. 
Cries, and tears, fire, blood, and battle.

A captain of Germany shall come to yield himself by false hope, 
So that his revolt shall cause great bloodshed        &nb sp;         &nb sp;         &nb sp;          Beasts wild with hunger will cross the rivers 
The greater part of the battlefield will be against Hister.

Near the Rhine from the Austrian mountains 
Will be born a great man of the people, come too late. 
A man who will defend Poland and Hungary 
And whose fate will never be certain 

This one really unnerved me. He had Hitler to a tee!

And one predicting the 3rd Anti-Christ was a bit ominous too. Especially since he is or wil,be from the Middle East.....



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Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 19-Apr-2006 at 12:20
N. never mentions the Anti-Christ as such. I have some doubts he was even a Christian or Jew in his heart. His sentences are always ambiguous enough "the true religion" and things like that...

He does mention a Tyger from Hyrcania (East Iran or somewhere over there) vexing Spain and "Carmania" (Iran) attacking "Byzantium" and "Venice" but  those aren't any Anti-Christ - unless you want to read it that way. He also makes clear that he's prophesizing for milennia to come.

One things that intrigues me are his mentions to a Pagan sect that will dominate all North of the 48 of latitude. It's nature and destiny is not clear anyhow.

Too many questions and too few answers.


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Posted By: Northman
Date Posted: 20-Apr-2006 at 18:09
I understand, since noone reflected on my earlier post, that noone here is interested in physics, prophets and/or afterlife?

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Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 20-Apr-2006 at 18:52
Originally posted by Northman

I understand, since noone reflected on my earlier post, that noone here is interested in physics, prophets and/or afterlife?


Actually it's surely worth a topic of its own in Intellectual Discussion: Time! (not the magazine). I have some good questions for it but feel a little like ranting... it's so hard to grasp.


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Posted By: Northman
Date Posted: 20-Apr-2006 at 19:40

Originally posted by Maju


Actually it's surely worth a topic of its own in Intellectual Discussion: Time! (not the magazine). I have some good questions for it but feel a little like ranting... it's so hard to grasp.

Everyone is a little ranting about the issue of time Maju - when we start thinking about it.
Maybe its way beyond our ability to comprehend. But that shouldnt stop us from talking about it. Other issue, we dont understand either, dont!

I'll take your suggestion and copy the post to ID.

 



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Posted By: Feramez
Date Posted: 20-Apr-2006 at 22:17
The reason I don't take him seriously as a prophet is because just about every prophecy he "predicted" didn't make sense untill an event happened and from there you can just assume that's what he said.  He didn't give dates or names.  Everything was said in a sort of poetic form.  The one prophet I take seriously is Edgar Cayce, his prophecies were detailed.

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Posted By: QueenCleopatra
Date Posted: 21-Apr-2006 at 03:44

The one prophet I take seriously is Edgar Cayce, his prophecies were detailed.[quote]

Do you have a link for them ?



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Posted By: Northman
Date Posted: 21-Apr-2006 at 03:55

Wikipedia is quite comprehensive about Edgar Cayce:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Cayce - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Cayce



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 21-Apr-2006 at 04:56

Greetings,

It seems highly unlikely that Nostradamus was a "prophet" or anything. The methods he has used to write these "predictions" can probably be summed up by the words of James "The Amazing" Randi: "The trick, is to make lots of pronouncements,cage them in ambiguous language and use as much symbolism and allegory as possible.Those who are desperate to believe can then cram into them an almost infinite amount of meaning and truth."  His famous prophecy that is supposed to "predict" the rise of Hitler:

                          

Beasts mad with hunger will swim across rivers,

Most of the army will be against the lower danube.

The great on shall be dragged in an iron cage,

When the child brother will observe nothing

 

The claim is that, the Latin name for the name of the Danube was "Hister" which sounds like Hitler. Oh well, it is more likely that this predicts the invasion of rabid walruses, whose leader shall be caught and sold to a circus where he will be encaged. Makes one wonder if he was sober when he wrote this stuff, or if he was an extremely smart man who knew he would be able to fool many gullible people into reading his terrible poetry by hiding behind "prophecies"

                                                                                                                                       



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Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 21-Apr-2006 at 16:09
You have to read N. in French and compare it with the English translations, often not too good. This is one of many online sites where you can read N. in both languages: http://www.propheties.it/sitemap.htm - http://www.propheties.it/sitemap.htm .

Your quatrain is actually:


Bestes farouches de faim fluves tranner:
Plus part du camp encontre Hister sera,
En caige de fer le grand sera treisner,
Quand Rin enfant Germain observera.


Beasts ferocious from hunger will swim across rivers:
The greater part of the region will be against the Hister,
The great one will cause it to be dragged in an iron cage,
When the German child will observe nothing.



Germain could be translated as brother? Maybe...

From some notes I worte on the Centuries:


Located quartets:

Century I:

25
The lost thing is discovered, hidden for many centuries. 
Pasteur will be celebrated almost as a god-like figure. 
This is when the moon completes her great cycle, 
but by other rumours he shall be dishonoured.
Louis Pasteur was indeed considered a very high figure. Discovered the vaccine against rabies and other stuff as polarization of light. The "hidden thing" are no doubt bacteria. Date: c.1860

54
Two revolutions will be caused by the evil scythe bearer 
making a change of reign and centuries. 
The mobile sign thus moves into its house: 
Equal in favour to both sides.
Probably American (1775-83) and French (1789-99) revolutions, at the end of the XVIII century.

60
An Emperor will be born near Italy, 
who will cost the Empire very dearly. 
They will say, when they see his allies, 
that he is less a prince than a butcher.
Probably Napoleon. Date 1769-1821.

63
Pestilences extinguished, the world becomes smaller, 
for a long time the lands will be inhabited peacefully. 
People will travel safely through the sky (over) land and seas: 
then wars will start up again.
XX century.

70
Rain, famine and war will not cease in Persia; 
too great a faith will betray the monarch. 
Those (actions) started in France will end there, 
a secret sign for on to be sparing.
Islamic revolution in Iran (1979).

91
The gods will make it appear to mankind 
that they are the authors of a great war. 
Before the sky was seen to bee free of weapons and rockets: 
the greatest damage will be inflicted on the left.
This one seems very clear: religious war damages the left. Date: c. 2000.

92
Under one man peace will be proclaimed everywhere, 
but not long after will be looting and rebellion. 
Because of a refusal, town, land and see will be broached. 
About a third of a million dead or captured.
Pax Americana? And then revolt! Date: near future.

94
The tyrant Selim will be put to death at the harbour 
but Liberty will not be regained, however. 
A new war arises from vengeance and remorse. 
A lady is honoured through force of terror.
Selim III (Sultan 1789-1807) was strangled by the conservatives in the Seraglio before the reformists could save him. Nevertheless they managed to place Mehmet II, who attempted to prosecute the reforms but faced strong opposition. He finally massacred the jannisaries but faced Mehmet Ali of Egypt and was defeated. Date 1807 (unless he's talking of Saddam Hussein!).


Century II:

24
Beasts ferocious from hunger will swim across rivers: 
The greater part of the region will be against the Hister, 
The great one will cause it to be dragged in an iron cage, 
When the German child will observe nothing.
Nazism, Hitler and the Holocaust. Date: 1933-45.

(The 2nd Century is very obscure and seems to be talking about events in the future)

Century III:

25
He who will attain to the kingdom of Navarre 
When Sicily and Naples will be joined: 
He will hold Bigorre and Landes through Foix and Oloron 
From one who will be too closely allied with Spain.
This seems to talk about Henry III of Navarre and IV of France. He married Marguerite de Valois and took those lands to the house of Guise. Date 1572.

53
When the greatest one will carry off the prize 
Of Nuremberg, of Augsburg, and those of BБle 
Through Cologne the chief Frankfort retaken 
They will cross through Flanders right into Gaul.
Nazi invasion of France through Belgium. 1941.

61
The great band and sect of crusaders 
Will be arrayed in Mesopotamia: 
Light company of the nearby river, 
That such law will hold for an enemy.
US invasion of Iraq (2003), and subsequent resistence under a Jordan.

70
The great Britain including England 
Will come to be flooded very high by waters 
The new League of Ausonia will make war, 
So that they will come to strive against them.
In 1607, large parts of England and Wales was flooded by what might have been a tsunami, though it may refer to a repetition in the future.

77
The third climate included under Aries 
The year 1727 in October, 
The King of Persia captured by those of Egypt:
Conflict, death, loss: to the cross great shame.
In 1722, Safavid Persia was invaded by Russia and Turkey and faced an Afghan revolt. The Afghans placed their leader Mir Mahmud (Mahmud Ghilzai) as the new Shah. But the legitimate Shah Tamashp II and his general Nadir Qoli Beg defeated the Afghans at Damghan in 1729. In 1732 Nadir deposed Tamashp II and named himself regent of his son. In 1736 he crowned himself as Shah. In 1738-39 he conquered Afghanistan and plundered India.
Also in November of 1727 there was a massive earthquake in Tzariz (Persia) that killed c. 77,000 people.

Century IV:

89
Thirty of London will conspire secretly 
Against their King, the enterprise on the bridge: 
He and his satellites will have a distaste for death, 
A fair King elected, native of Frisia.
The Glorious Revolution of 1688.


Century V: nothing clear.

Century VI: nothing



I've reached so far.


Actually the 10th century is one of the mos quoted. So I may be missing something big due to my laziness.


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Posted By: docyabut
Date Posted: 21-Apr-2006 at 22:41
 I think he was refering to  Saddam Hussein!)..as the third ati christ,  even in the Bible  relelations its says there wil be 200,000 standing at the river Euphrates. There were 20,000 american troops standing at the river  Euphrates  before going in to Baghdad.


Posted By: docyabut
Date Posted: 21-Apr-2006 at 22:49

revelation also talks of the seven hills, did you know there were seven statures of Saddam torned down that were standing on seven hills.



Posted By: docyabut
Date Posted: 21-Apr-2006 at 22:55
To me anyone who is against  peace is a ati christ


Posted By: docyabut
Date Posted: 21-Apr-2006 at 23:08
Did you know Christains  demonstrating in the holy land  in 1999 asked Arofat  do you know all Jesus wanted was peace. Afrofat cried and said I know this, however its just  the way things are.


Posted By: docyabut
Date Posted: 21-Apr-2006 at 23:24
97
New law to occupy the new land
Towards Syria, Judea and Palestine:
The great barbarian empire to decay,
Before the Moon completes it cycle.

98
Two royal brothers will wage war so fiercely
That between them the war will be so mortal
That both will occupy the strong places:
Their great quarrel will fill realm and life.



Posted By: docyabut
Date Posted: 21-Apr-2006 at 23:37
Any ones knows in relelvations, the four horse men  were of ( red) to banish peace ( black)  the unbalance  of peace  and pale is of death.The one that follow him was of pure hell.


Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 21-Apr-2006 at 23:47
I'd rather would not mix Revelation with Nostradamus. And N. does never speak of any Anti-Christ. 

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Posted By: docyabut
Date Posted: 21-Apr-2006 at 23:55

Century 8, Quatrain 77
The antichrist very soon annihilates the three,
twenty-seven years his war will last.
The unbelievers are dead, captive, exiled;
with blood, human bodies, water and red hail covering the earth.

 

http://www.crystalinks.com/mabus.html - http://www.crystalinks.com/mabus.html



Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2006 at 19:39
Originally posted by docyabut

Century 8, Quatrain 77
The antichrist very soon annihilates the three,
twenty-seven years his war will last.
The unbelievers are dead, captive, exiled;
with blood, human bodies, water and red hail covering the earth.

 

http://www.crystalinks.com/mabus.html - http://www.crystalinks.com/mabus.html



My apologies. I didn't recall that quartet. I'll have to read more carefuly the 8th century.


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Posted By: Scorpian
Date Posted: 25-Apr-2006 at 07:47

 lmao

     i got into the nostrodamus stuff in the 90s whereupon the end of the millenium would see most prophesies more or less fulfilled.  Peeps read nostrodamus prophecy alongside major world events of that current decade.

    i was a bit miffed that the millenium came and went without a hitch and got peeved off when the book publishers a year later were proclaiming a new nostradamus doomsday to yet another gullible audience .  i wasted my money buying into that cack 

                            You peeps should save yours

                



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Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 25-Apr-2006 at 10:10
You can read N. online. You don't have to pay a dime: it has no copyright. 

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Posted By: Scorpian
Date Posted: 25-Apr-2006 at 10:16

Originally posted by Maju

You can read N. online. You don't have to pay a dime: it has no copyright. 

      True!

      i had to buy the books on Nos. cause internet access wasn't available to me back then.

         



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Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 25-Apr-2006 at 12:49
Well, you could have photocopied them 

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Posted By: Scorpian
Date Posted: 26-Apr-2006 at 05:07

  Maju

what can i say?

   other than i was an avid reader into all sorts of stuff and i bought many such books.  i've an extensive collection and have them on hand should i require them. ( i never was one for borrowing books from the library)

          anyways for a peep into mythical lost civilisation (atlantis) you seemed quick to refute the possibility of others.   hyperborea?

                   



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Posted By: Scytho-Sarmatian
Date Posted: 27-Apr-2006 at 04:28
It seems to me that things are happening pretty much the way most of those authors interpreted Nostradamus in those books from the 80's and 90's.  John Hogue's books are especially compelling, it anyone is interested in reading some of that stuff.

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Posted By: Scorpian
Date Posted: 27-Apr-2006 at 06:40

    i'll need to go check and see if i've any John Hogue Nostrodamus books. i've three or four Nos books kicking about. i looked him up on the internet and his books look familiar.

      The Nos copy staring me in the face is The Nostrodamus Encyclopedia by Peter Lemesurier. His is a definitive reference guide and makes easy reading. i bought that version in 97.  

       Seems Armageddon prophesy is big business. My 1999 end of the millenium WW3 apocalypse has been put on hold till Nos authors like Peter Lemesurier and John Hogue can broker more dosh from updated Nos books with later end of the world deadlines.     

                                 cross my palm with silver

                                          the end is nigh!

                    maybe today or then again maybe tomorrow

            

                           

       



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