Why invincible Mongol Empire was defeated?
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Topic: Why invincible Mongol Empire was defeated?
Posted By: Guests
Subject: Why invincible Mongol Empire was defeated?
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2006 at 10:50
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Main reason of the invincible Mongol Empire's defeat was the mongols are always fighting amongst themselves. And all mongol lords wanted to be a khan. Mongols envied our mongol's success and possessions. Example: 1. Mongol clans before Genghis always fighted amongst themselves. 2. Amongst mongol clans. 3. Amongst Jochi and Chaghatai 4. Ogodei and his son Guyuk 5. Amongst Batu and Guyuk 6. Amongst Berke and House of Batu 7. Amongst Kublai and Arigh Boke and etc. But Genghis was different, he united all stubborn mongols and nomads. Then defeated other empires. |
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Posted By: Heraclius
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2006 at 16:03
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No empire or army is invincable, both can merely go through a period of dominance over its enemies, neither the dominance nor empire last forever. ------------- A tomb now suffices him for whom the world was not enough. |
Posted By: Serge L
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2006 at 16:13
| I think the diffusion and perfectioning of firearms reduced and eventualy eliminated the advantages of their war techniques |
Posted By: Drunt Ba'adur
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2006 at 04:06
The real mongol empire was defeated before the use of firearms by infantry The Mongol Empire was never really defeated, but it began to decadence because some reasons. Here some of them: -Mongols didn't have enough manpower to control all the Empire -The descendants of Temujin fought among themselves(you just have to look Guyuk-Batu, AriqBoke-Kubilai, GoldenHorde-IlKhanate... -Mongol Empire was several times divided in different Khanates (and the kuriltai was powerless after Kublai) -Mongol war tactics were used by their enemies (you can see that in the Ain-Jalut battle) -Mongol Empire by the time of Kublai(if you consider her dynasty being the Mongol Empire) was no longer mongol. It was a new chinese dynasty with mongol sovereigns and a mongol army(I'm not sure if the army was almost all based in original mongol army, but I'm doubtful. Probably it was heavly based in chinese infantry) -The Empire is too big. You just can't control an empire from Caucasus to Korea -... |
Posted By: gok_toruk
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2006 at 10:01
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I agree with Heraclius... just for a period of time, an empire's able to rule over enemies (or other nations). Our ancestors defeated because their time was up, due to the problems they faced above mentioned by Falco and Drant Ba'atur. ------------- Sajaja bramani totari ta, raitata raitata, radu ridu raitata, rota. |
Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2006 at 15:34
Obviously beause it wasn't invincible  ------------- 
NO GOD, NO MASTER! |
Posted By: Omar al Hashim
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2006 at 21:25
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The Mongol Empire, broke up
because of infighting after Genghis Khans death. The various mongol
Khanates, were often never defeated but gradually blended into the
conqured populations. The last fragment of the mongol empire, the
Mughal Empire was overthrown in 1857 by the British.
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Posted By: Drunt Ba'adur
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2006 at 21:54
I think the last 'mongol heir'(and that would be very doubtful) died a few time later. It was a sovereign of Bukhara or some city near there and I think that we shouldn't consider Babur dynasty a heir of Mongol Empire |
Posted By: Omar al Hashim
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2006 at 22:20
When did the Russians get control of Central asia? Oh, wait, Bukhara was a dependency until soviet times so your probably right. Babur and his decendents always considered themselves Mongols, and at the time of conquest Indians considered Babur to be a mongol. I just put a big post on the thread about the maps about it. ------------- |
Posted By: BigL
Date Posted: 08-Feb-2006 at 19:49
| Mongols lost due to climate vietnam syria and india all too hot for them |
Posted By: Omar al Hashim
Date Posted: 08-Feb-2006 at 21:07
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After Timur captured Delhi he left because his troops didn't like the climate
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 09-Feb-2006 at 10:07
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Sorry, the temperature in Mongolia, average range in winter -30C (-22F), in summer 27C (80F). Our capital is coldest capital in the world. That's why mongol people didn't afraid of those climate. ------------- |
Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 09-Feb-2006 at 10:45
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But if you're used to dry cold, you may hate the humid hot of India.
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NO GOD, NO MASTER! |
Posted By: BigL
Date Posted: 09-Feb-2006 at 16:51
| It was the diseases in vietnam and burma which killed mongol men combined with the humidity which killed horses in places like india.Mongol horses dont like the humidity but love the dry areas |
Posted By: Esquire
Date Posted: 10-Feb-2006 at 02:51
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This first entry sums it up....everything else are just details. (In the second half of the 20th C & likely first half 21st C the United States was/is the "nvincable" empire....someone else will then take over. This is what History teaches.) |
Posted By: gok_toruk
Date Posted: 10-Feb-2006 at 08:17
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Oh Maju, my English is not good; could you please tell me what all those funny smilies are? Take care... ------------- Sajaja bramani totari ta, raitata raitata, radu ridu raitata, rota. |
Posted By: gok_toruk
Date Posted: 10-Feb-2006 at 08:23
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By the way, freedom of speech is respected anywhere in the world; but to its limits... you shouldn't offend people by your word. Now, it's not only about Politics. It's also about my brother Falco...
------------- Sajaja bramani totari ta, raitata raitata, radu ridu raitata, rota. |
Posted By: Heraclius
Date Posted: 12-Feb-2006 at 07:16
Exactly, sooner or later a new power will rise and America will decline, a new period of dominance will then be ushered in by an apparently *invincable* power. It goes in cycles and will remain that way for aslong as there are empires or global spheres of influence like what America has. ------------- A tomb now suffices him for whom the world was not enough. |
Posted By: ArmenianSurvival
Date Posted: 13-Feb-2006 at 03:14
Also their sinew bows didn't have the same power or accuracy in the more humid areas around the Indus. ------------- Mass Murderers Agree: Gun Control Works! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Resistance Քիչ ենք բայց Հայ ենք։ |
Posted By: Mangudai
Date Posted: 13-Feb-2006 at 13:12
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Also, after decades of endless campaigns and fighting the mongol numbers must have dwindled. Battle-casualties and deaths from desease must have finished off a significant part of all the nomad warriors, and then the numbers of born children must have been affected dramaticly as the men were away for years and women were left alone The effects of small nations embarking upon huge and costly campaigns can be illustrated by the Swedish campaigns in the 17th and 18th centuries, where a great deal of all adult males died and the population shrunk as a result of the otherwise often quite successful wars. ------------- Nu guhk go mis leat meahcit, de lea mis dorvu dn eatnam alde Ossfok i s kringest sturwekster sttliger. Summer v kulluma i riktit finer! |
Posted By: Mameluke
Date Posted: 21-Feb-2006 at 08:04
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Actually I beg to differ. The word Mogul is actually a misnomer. It is simply Persian for Mongol and the Moguls always considered themselves Turks. Although to us they are both the same, in those days a sharp distinction was made between them. The Turks always considered themselves more civilized and spoke a different dialect from Mongols proper. Babar himself belonged to the Turkish Barlas tribe. Mameluke ------------- Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war |
Posted By: Iranian41ife
Date Posted: 21-Feb-2006 at 17:40
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nobody is invincible. it is ridiculous to say so. the mongols were defeated because they got greedy, fought each other, and after ghenghis did not have a good enough leader to keep them united and strong. the romans used to claim they were invincible to, but they got defeated many many times. no one is invincible. ------------- "If they attack Iran, of course I will fight. But I will be fighting to defend Iran... my land. I will not be fighting for the government and the nuclear cause." ~ Hamid, veteran of the Iran Iraq War |
Posted By: Omar al Hashim
Date Posted: 24-Feb-2006 at 03:46
Babur wanted to reconquer timurs empire and rule from samarkand. Thats pretty Mongol. The truth is probably more along the lines he was both a turk and a mongol. I don't think the distinction could have been that sharp after 300 years of intermixing. ------------- |
Posted By: malizai_
Date Posted: 24-Feb-2006 at 11:36
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There was also the spread of bubonic plague, with devestating effects. ------------- |
Posted By: Maljkovic
Date Posted: 28-Feb-2006 at 11:15
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Maybe because it never existed? Ghengis did conquer the nomadic areas and had begun the attack on China, but all later expasions were of his sons and grandsons who had khanates of their own. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 01-Mar-2006 at 12:55
| Was Khwarezm nomadic area? |
Posted By: Imperator Invictus
Date Posted: 02-Mar-2006 at 02:54
The Mongol Empire was a single empire under a single Great Khan until 1259. At that time, almost all of the conquests had been completed, except for Song China. ------------- |
Posted By: tadamson
Date Posted: 02-Mar-2006 at 09:15
Yes and no  The towns, cities and agricultural land were heavily settled, but between them were areas of steppe inhabited by nomadic tribes. This overlap was one reason for the continuing unrest in the region. ------------- rgds. Tom.. |