Dracology
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Topic: Dracology
Posted By: Spartakus
Subject: Dracology
Date Posted: 20-Dec-2005 at 15:50
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Dracons are a part of many cultures.Here are their names in the language of many countries. Greek: Dracwn,Dracos Latin: Draco ,serpent,serpens Arabian:ah-teen(tah-neen),(Al) Tineen,(Al) Tananeen Chinese:lung/long,Liung (Hakka Dialect) Catalane: Drac Flemmish: Draeke English: Dragon Old English: Draca Medieval English: Dragun,dragoun In Island: Dreki Gaelic:Arach Hebrew: Drakon(plural drakonim),Tanniym Indonesian:Naga Persian:Ejdeha Korean:yong Norwegian Swedish: Drake,lindorm In Wales: Ddraig Polish: smok Esthonian: Draakon,lohe,lohemadu,tuuleuss,lendav mandu Country of the Basques-Euskera:erensuge Danish: Drage Dutch: Draak Japanese:ryu,tatsu Serbian:Zmaj,Azdaja Maori:tarakona Zulu:uzekamanzi Chech: Drak Hungarian: Sarkany Vietnamese:long,rng German: drache(plural Drachen) If there are any mistakes plz correct me. ------------- "There are worse crimes than burning books. One of them is not reading them. " --- Joseph Alexandrovitch Brodsky, 1991, Russian-American poet, b. St. Petersburg and exiled 1972 (1940-1996) |
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Posted By: Raider
Date Posted: 21-Dec-2005 at 10:14
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Dragon in Hungarian: Sįrkįny (plural. sįrkįnyok) The word itself might originate from bulgar-turkic and means hissing, or venomous spit. Sįrkįnys in reptile form generally connected to storms and hidden treasures. But they also had a human form. In folk tales they are often giant humans with multiple heads and incredible strengh. A sįrkįny usually had one head in myths and multiple heads in folk tales(more generally they have seven heads.) The more heads mean more strengh. And he is the favourite dragon of all Hungarian kids. Süsü, the one-headed dragon:
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Posted By: Spartakus
Date Posted: 21-Dec-2005 at 13:57
Thanks! ------------- "There are worse crimes than burning books. One of them is not reading them. " --- Joseph Alexandrovitch Brodsky, 1991, Russian-American poet, b. St. Petersburg and exiled 1972 (1940-1996) |
Posted By: Cezar
Date Posted: 21-Dec-2005 at 14:44
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Dragon is still dragon in Romanian. But it's a neologism. Dragon, drake, .... in the fairy tales it was "Balaur". Though it ressembles much the Hydra: multi headead, scale covered body, flame throwing usually, sometimes able to fly (and seemed to have a taste for babe.. I mean virgi.... uh, maidens or princesses). A close relative of him was the "zmeu". Same taste but also sometimes something like a mixture between trolls, ogres, and dragons. And the "zmeu'-s (zmeii) talk. *I posted it somewhere: onomathopeic -"Drake"="drac" which is more something like a devil or demon ussually to be found in Hell. |
Posted By: Spartakus
Date Posted: 22-Dec-2005 at 06:10
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Nice! ------------- "There are worse crimes than burning books. One of them is not reading them. " --- Joseph Alexandrovitch Brodsky, 1991, Russian-American poet, b. St. Petersburg and exiled 1972 (1940-1996) |
Posted By: arsenka
Date Posted: 22-Dec-2005 at 11:24
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In Russian folklore there is a monstrous beast called Zmey Gorinich. It looks just like any normal dragon does: it's big, nasty, greedy, emitting fire etc. Usually it behaves highly impolitely Dragon in Russian is - "drakon". BTW cockroach in Russian - "tarakan" sounds very alike. Curious! ------------- arsenka |
It has three heads (as a rule) and can fly. It CAN be killed and usually it IS at the end of the tale. 
(there is another horrible creature in our tales that CAN'T be killed - Koschey the Immortal.
I won't tell you about him now.)Posted By: Decebal
Date Posted: 22-Dec-2005 at 13:08
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I have a theory concerning the existence of the concept of the dragon in the mythology of so many countries. I think that dinosaur fossils have been found all over the world, and that people, not having a good idea of how old the world actually is, have extrapolated that these creatures must not have been dead long and by extension might still be out there. Having said that, they're still fun stories... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragonology - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragonology ------------- What is history but a fable agreed upon? Napoleon Bonaparte Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is the truth.- Mohandas Gandhi 
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Posted By: BMC21113
Date Posted: 22-Dec-2005 at 13:15
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Interesting post.... ------------- "To be prepared for war is one of the most effective means of preserving peace"-George Washington "The art of war is, in the last result, the art of keeping one's freedom of action."-Xenophon |
Posted By: Ikki
Date Posted: 22-Dec-2005 at 13:34
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Dragón in Spanish. Another question, why is the dragon evil in the West, and sacred in the East? |
Posted By: Sharrukin
Date Posted: 23-Dec-2005 at 01:58
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http://www.itmonline.org/arts/dragonbone.htm - http://www.itmonline.org/arts/dragonbone.htm |
Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 23-Dec-2005 at 05:54
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Interesting similarity between the Persian Ejdeha and Serbian Azdeja (with j pronounced as y). ------------- |
Posted By: Ellinas
Date Posted: 23-Dec-2005 at 13:52
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The mentions of dragons in Greek mythology that come in my mind firstly are the dragon who was guarding the Esperides tree and the one who was guarding the Golden fleece. Spartakus it would be interesting if you post other mentions of dragons you remember.
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Posted By: Sharrukin
Date Posted: 24-Dec-2005 at 04:42
| Some have heard or read about the battle of Apollo and Python for the possession of the Oracle of Delphi, in which Apollo was victorious. In the original story, Apollo had to deal with a nameless female serpent, the drakaina. |
Posted By: Fizzil
Date Posted: 24-Dec-2005 at 10:05
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Tananeen is plural of Tineen. just fyi |
Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 24-Dec-2005 at 11:05
That's correct, though it's most commonly written herensuge, with the "h" being mute in the south and slightly aspirated in the north. But herensuge (strangely meaning the third or last serpent) only appears in a late myth about Christianization. For the rest the concept of dragon or serpent is exclussively associated to the male half of the Basque Divinity, who often appears as such. His name Sugar or Sugaar (emphasis in the last syllabe) means either male serpent (suge+ar) or flame of fire (su+gar). Another name for him is Maju but it has no clear ethymology. Unlike her companion, the female Divinity, Mari, never appears as serpent or dragon, but as woman in red, woman of fire, tree-woman, fireball, black he-goat, and several red animals (ram, horse, cow). In the 19th century, romantic Xiberutar (Souletin) writer Agustin Xaho, inened several neo-myths of Basque content, one of them being Leherensuge (the first and last serpent, or the first dragon). ------------- 
NO GOD, NO MASTER! |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 25-Dec-2005 at 11:16
| In bulgarian we also have dracon and zmei, but the word of bulgarian origin is lamia. |
Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 25-Dec-2005 at 12:06
What is a lamia in Bulgarian? In Basque it's sort of a nymph (but with bird feet and golden comb), while in Greek it's more of a terrorific female criature. -------------
NO GOD, NO MASTER! |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 25-Dec-2005 at 12:37
| Well, in the bulgarian folklore it's a kind of "classic" dragon. Sometimes it has three heads and till two of them are sleeping, the other one is always awake. |
Posted By: Spartakus
Date Posted: 28-Dec-2005 at 14:02
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Thanks . ------------- "There are worse crimes than burning books. One of them is not reading them. " --- Joseph Alexandrovitch Brodsky, 1991, Russian-American poet, b. St. Petersburg and exiled 1972 (1940-1996) |
Posted By: arsenka
Date Posted: 29-Dec-2005 at 02:27
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And why the strong central power so appraised in the East is not so popular in the West ------------- arsenka |
Posted By: Kuu-ukko
Date Posted: 29-Dec-2005 at 05:53
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In Finnish a dragon is called lohikäärme. Although lohi also means salmon in Finnish, the name is not salmon-snake, but the lohi is most likely from the Old Norse word for fire, logi.
------------- Istun kylmällä kivellä Sammaleella kostealla Puiden oksain suojaamina Aistin aikain vahvat voimat Olen täällä onnellinen |
Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 29-Dec-2005 at 09:36
Wow! I missed this most important question.  According to some modern Anti-patriarchal interpretations, the reason for the Dragon being demonized in the west is that it embodied the ancient "Neolithic" religion of the Mother Godess. As in Basque mythology, probably in pre-IE Europe (and, up to a point, is some parts of early IE Europe), the Dragon was the consort of the Godess (Mother Earth?). The myths of a hero killing the Dragon, starting (as far as we can trace) by Apollo in Delfos, represent the victory of the new Patriarchal order over the older "Matristic" (or Matrifocal) order. Medieval versions of these legends paint the Dragon as kidnapping a maid (the Godess) but, according to Casilda Rodrigańez (see http://www.casildarodriganez.org/ - http://www.casildarodriganez.org/ , in Spanish), the actual true original meaning is that the Dragon was actually protecting her, as he was her natural consort (the God) in the context of an egalitarian Matrifocal religion of fertility. Yet, even in Medieval times, we find some authors that give a more favorable role to the Dragon, particularly in the cycle of Arthur. Due to this (violent) social and cultural transformation, the Dragon-God became the Dragon-Devil, in a simmilar manner as many Pagan mythological characters were demonized under Christianity and the other Abrahmanic religions. The Godess was kidnapped then by the Apolinean Patriarchal "hero" and became gradually: lesser godess, godess consort, human saint/consort and even disappeared at all from religion/mythology. But don't worry, the Dragon is back.  -------------
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Posted By: vulkan02
Date Posted: 29-Dec-2005 at 23:19
Like always... great info Maju.... and yes you can say that last line again.  ------------- The beginning of a revolution is in reality the end of a belief - Le Bon Destroy first and construction will look after itself - Mao |
Posted By: Socrates
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2006 at 04:15
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Actually, it's Azhdaya.I didn't know it was an iranian word...interesting. |
Posted By: Sharrukin
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2006 at 22:07
| from the Avestan dragon-snake Azi-Dahaka. Apparently, those originally Iranian Serbs were converted to Zoroastrianism at some point in their ancient history. Avestan sources indeed indicate that nomadic tribes received the preaching of Zoroaster. Among these were Sairimas, whom in the west were known as Sarmatians. We know that the Serboi of the classical geographers were in Sarmatian territory. It then just takes little imagination to see how some Serbian words are related to Iranian ones. |
Posted By: ArmenianSurvival
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2006 at 22:22
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In Armenian, dragon is Vishab (pronounced vee-shahb).
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Posted By: Socrates
Date Posted: 10-Feb-2006 at 08:30
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I'm not sure Sarmatians were under the influence of Zoroastrianism-I think they were more influenced by ''pagan'' Indo-Iranian cults. |
Posted By: Socrates
Date Posted: 10-Feb-2006 at 08:35
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Then u didn't like the 13th warrior -they r fighting against cannibals who worship the Mother Godess Btw-that film was a load of commercial rubbish... |
Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 10-Feb-2006 at 09:34
Yes, that's commercial rubbish. 
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NO GOD, NO MASTER! |