Best military commander among Alexander’s succesors
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Topic: Best military commander among Alexander’s succesors
Posted By: ironwill
Subject: Best military commander among Alexander’s succesors
Date Posted: 08-Jul-2005 at 18:48
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Posted By: Lannes
Date Posted: 08-Jul-2005 at 20:10
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Demetrius, Ptolemy III, Antiochus III, Philip V, and Pyrrhos aren't technically Successors, and you left out Eumenes and Cassander. Anyway, my vote goes to Ptolemy I Soter. He has many great successes: The defeat of Perdiccas near Memphis, the Gaza Offensive, the defense of Rhodes, the annexation of Palestine and Syria, etc. Of course, to go with his military ability, he was an extremely capable administrator. ------------- τρέφεται δέ, ὤ Σώκρατης, ψυχὴ τίνι; |
Posted By: Menippos
Date Posted: 08-Jul-2005 at 20:30
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Yup, he was a 2 in 1 guy. And I would say this: it is one thing to
create an empire, but to maintain it is an even more demanding task.
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Posted By: TheodoreFelix
Date Posted: 08-Jul-2005 at 20:36
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Antiochus for me. While his two mistakes at Raphea and Mangesia definately showed he could get a little irresponsible, but had it not been for the Romans, you could have seen a great revival of the Seleucids in the east, this was all the work of Antiochus III. ------------- |
Posted By: Scytho-Sarmatian
Date Posted: 09-Jul-2005 at 04:13
| Didn't Seleucus I Nikator expand the Graeco-Bactrian Empire into India? Or do I have him confused with someone else? If it was him, that was quite a feat. |
Posted By: Perseas
Date Posted: 09-Jul-2005 at 05:07
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Nope it was Eythedemos (sp?) with his son Demetrios. ------------- A mathematician is a person who thinks that if there are supposed to be three people in a room, but five come out, then two more must enter the room in order for it to be empty. |
Posted By: Perseas
Date Posted: 09-Jul-2005 at 05:14
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I vote for Pyrrhus. He was a distinguished general and military tactisian, had defeated twice Roman Legions and generally had the best results against Romans from the rest of the list. Even Hannibal considered him the best military commander of antiquity. ------------- A mathematician is a person who thinks that if there are supposed to be three people in a room, but five come out, then two more must enter the room in order for it to be empty. |
Posted By: TheodoreFelix
Date Posted: 09-Jul-2005 at 13:37
Are you referring to the quote by Livy? ------------- |
Posted By: Perseas
Date Posted: 09-Jul-2005 at 17:57
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Yeap, if we consider the specific account as truthful. ------------- A mathematician is a person who thinks that if there are supposed to be three people in a room, but five come out, then two more must enter the room in order for it to be empty. |
Posted By: Nikas
Date Posted: 09-Jul-2005 at 22:15
| You are missing Antigonos Monophthalmos, who of all the successors came closest to preserving Alexander's empire (Antigonos Gonatos was his grandson). If not for the extraordinary combination against him at Ipsos (which he well could have won) he would have been almost a second Philip or Alexander. |
Posted By: Perseas
Date Posted: 10-Jul-2005 at 06:59
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True, prior to Ipsus, he had never before lost a battle. ------------- A mathematician is a person who thinks that if there are supposed to be three people in a room, but five come out, then two more must enter the room in order for it to be empty. |
Posted By: Hormoz
Date Posted: 10-Jul-2005 at 09:52
I know Hannibal admired him, but I think he considered Scipio the greatest, and Alexander was also high on his list.
I also voted for Pyrrhus, too, btw. |
Posted By: Ahmed The Fighter
Date Posted: 16-Jul-2005 at 03:00
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Antiochus III the Great was the greatest he reconquested all eastern provinces and defeat the indian, bactarian and parthian. he defeated the egyption and drove them out from palastine. He reunion his grandfather empire. He was agreat leader.
------------- "May the eyes of cowards never sleep" Khalid Bin Walid 
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Posted By: Ahmed The Fighter
Date Posted: 31-Jul-2005 at 02:30
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18-year-old Antiochus III (called "the Great"), who appointed Achaeus to direct the war in Asia Minor.
Two brothers, Molon and Alexander, satraps in Babylon and Persis respectively, declared themselves independent kings and were followed by Media king Atropatene, who threw off his vassalage. Antiochus III marched his imperial army east, and by 219 BC Molon and Alexander, abandoned by their armies, committed suicide. Achaeus, whose father was a hostage in the court of Ptolemy III, broke off the siege of Pergamum and heading toward Antioch, declared himself king; but his troops failed to go along. Antiochus III took advantage of a dynastic succession in Egypt to attack Palestine; but after regaining Seleucia Pieria he was eventually defeated at Raphia in 217 BC. Three years later Antiochus III besieged Achaeus at Sardis and, after he was betrayed, had his body mutilated. ------------- "May the eyes of cowards never sleep" Khalid Bin Walid
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Posted By: Ahmed The Fighter
Date Posted: 31-Jul-2005 at 02:31
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Having ended the civil war and regained some of western Anatolia, the energetic Antiochus III next marched east through Armenia and Media to take on the Parthians. To finance this adventure Antiochus III took the treasury from the temple of the goddess Anahita near Ecbatana. The Seleucid army captured Hecatompylos, causing Parthian king Artabanus I to withdraw into Hyrcania; but Antiochus III could do no more than accept their promise of fealty and tribute. Then Antiochus III attacked independent Bactria, which would not yield. Euthydemus argued that their conflict would only help the Sacae nomads; so by conferring a gift of elephants and supplies, Euthydemus was accepted as a vassal king, as his son Demetrius married a daughter of Antiochus III. After eight years Antiochus III eventually returned to Seleucia on the Tigris, having gone through Afghanistan to India and back through Arachosia and Seistan. ------------- "May the eyes of cowards never sleep" Khalid Bin Walid
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Posted By: RollingWave
Date Posted: 03-Aug-2005 at 05:40
| In terms of result certainly Selucius I Niktor, whom build the huge Selucid empire from scratch (he wasn't an appointed satrap.... ) and was only stopped by an assasination (that and age... even if he didn't die to assination he was still a wooping 80 years old) |
Posted By: rider
Date Posted: 03-Aug-2005 at 15:50
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Yes, Seleucos I Nicator is the one to be have a place reserved. But Ptolemaios I Soter is also worth of mentioning, and ofcourse Antigonus I Monophthalmos... it seems that Alexander was full of great commanders.. ------------- |