Yes, my grandpa remember learning to make the Japanese flag back in school.  As he recalls, takes a bowl , put red paint in it, and then dump it on the white flag.  Tada~ Japanese flag.

Perhaps the reverse can be done as well.

Take a piece of red cloth, tie a knott in the center, dip the rest in Clorox bleach and ... maybe we get a tie dyed Japanese flag?

Hey all,

    The red circle is a setting sun, not a rising sun?  really?

Peace,

Michael

9-1-2004

   Maybe it's just a sun. It's difficult for us to differentiate the sun between rising and setting...        Bu t I understand, Gubuk hope it is setting, I am the same 

Hey all,

    I don't wanna sound sinocentric here, but it seems that the sun, as a symbol of Japan, has something to do with it being the farthest east in the known world of the past.  It's true that there's also the legend of the sun goddess, but one wonder this in the chicken and egg logic: did this legend become prevalent precisely because of Japan's "Eastness?"  In other words, we cannot insist that the sun goddess was the only legend in Japan and in the its patheon of kama.  The salience of the concept of the sun might be a cause, not an effect, of the popularity of the sun goddess.   After all, Japan, which is Latin Japon, pronounced "Ya pon," is an obvious variant of "Ri bun," "Ni pon," etc, which means "origin of the sun."

Peace,

Michael

9-1-2004

I can provide some clues here.  You all know I'm one of the Han people in China. Han is the name of my people,it was named after Han Dynasty.But what was the name of my people before Han Dynasty. It's Hua Xia people. Hua means the rays of sun.  The first two emperors in Chinese history --- Emperor Yan and emperor Huang are named by 'fire'(i.e. meaning of the word Yan in Chinese) and Yellow(i.e. Huang,which is the color of earth).

In our  ancient legend, once there were ten suns in the sky, people were suffering by the dryness and hotness caused by the suns. One day, there appeared a hero who named Hou Yi, he shot down nine of the sun by his bow and saved his people.

another Chinese mythological story about sun 'Kua Fu chased the sun'Maybe someone else here could introduce it for you

Hey Hannibal,

    Is the "Kua Fu chasing the sun" legend about this guy running to see the sun, and then, on the way there, he got thirsty, so he ran back to get some water, but on the way to get some water he died of thirt -- is that the one?  I forget where I read about this, but I'm pretty bummed by it =(

Peace,

Michael

9-1-2004

you could you please provide an example where the far-right uses this flag?

china has a kind of plaster paper used to relief people from muscle injury is just like the flag.

What is Your Question Again?

Hey Catt,

    I think by far right he meant the conservatives in Japan, and these conservatives, I'm purely speculating, are the ones who are nostalgic of the "good old" Japanese imperialist days ("good old" for them, not for everyone else, of course.)

Peace,

Michael

9-1-2004

Actually... the first people to address themselves to China as King of where the sun rises is the Koguryos in Shuei dynasty.  Before that, ¤Ö©þ (King Shao Hao, which is Sun in the Sky, probably same person as «ÒôA) and ¤Ó©þ (King Tai Hao, same character, probably same as ÃF¹z).  These two guys are from the ancient race of ¦i (Yi).  Yes, same as ªF¦i(Dong-Yi).... Since they are from the east, they are chose their name for that reason, as King of the Sun.  Since the Corean people is also descendents of the ancient Yi (not the only descendents), it makes sense why King of Koguryo would adress himself as such when address the Emperor Yang of Shuei Dynasty.  After all, he is to the east.  Saying ªF Dong in Chinese acutally means where the sun rise.  Just that people don't don't relate the two right away.

The name ¤é¥» Japan, is actually given to the Japanese by the Emperess of Hou Chou, the only female emperor of China in the middle of the Tang dynasty.  The Japanese addressed themselves as People from where the sun rise.  It upset her a bit, but later on she gave them the name of ¤é¥» and a seal to go with it.  Remeber, this is back when Japan was still not within the Asian interational community yet.

ª¢«Ò (King Yan) and ¶À«Ò (King Huang) you can argue if they are called that because they are the sun kings, but there is no proof.  You can guess all you want.  I can just as well say King Huang iis called that, because he's from ¶Àªe (Yellow river, Huang He).  And flame is not the same as sun is it?

Anyway......  just my regular bashing...

The story:Kua Fu Chased the Sun, just reflected a desire of people in China since the immemorial times to conquer the nature. Kua Fu chased the sun because the hotness caused by the sun destoryed his people's happy life. A man Versus all mighty sun, isn't he a brave men?

 hansioux ,maybe you are right in some details.  one's thing  is for sure, the worship of sun derived from China...

Ahh... stop analyzing these stories..... next thing people are going to analyze how Micky Mouse is a true American hero that uses optimism to face his challenges....

Besides, if you really want to talk about Sun worship, it derived from Egypt.  But you know what I think?  I think any man can look up at the sun and realize all their food depends on it, and start worshiping it.

Hey Hansioux,

    heh, Chinese nationalist logic: China has A.  Someone else has A.  Therefore A started in China and got learned by someone else.  I'm proud to be a Chinese American born in Hong Kong, but I hate this Chinese nationalist logic like I hate the sound of styrofoams.

Peace,

Michael

9-2-2004

I think the sound of nail scratching black board is worse.....

I don't think Japs can learn sun-worship from Egyptians,my friend.   Maybe I should  be more concrete in expression: the sun-worship of Japan derived from China. 

Ok,I'm nationalist. It's  just sounds like that I am the one among the people who  have the qualification to be a true nationalist.

Right~That's my logic. It's also the logic of USA, when China had nuclear weapon they said we stolen technology from America ,hahah    That't the country you are  study now, I hope you can keep to be a saint.

Actually, didn't China use Pakistani/Inidian scientists to make Nukes?  Or Solviet scientists?

Of course,no.   China and Solviet became enemy in the later half of 1950s. Both sides of the boundary between Solviet and China deployed large numbers of army.Do you think they will help us?

As for India and Pakistani~  It's interesting for me to hear your question

We bombed nucler weapon in 1964. When they ?

They used the Solviet scientist for a while.

The science behind making Nuke is easy after Einstein.  But the engineering effort going in to make a Nuke is not.  It is hard work keeping the heavy water plant and all these stuff stable.

Damn, what are connection between chinese nukes and japanese flag?

North korea has nukes too.

What is Your Question Again?

aww... but at least Kim Jang-il's cute, he is so funny looking.

That's why Kim Jang-il can be an actor in an American Cartoon Movie,heheh

Apparently you have never heard of "strawmanizing."  Yeah, that's what you did, you just strawmanized.  Just as I'm Chinese without holding Chinese nationalist logic, I'm American without holding American supremacist logic.  And I don't just study in America; it's my home country.

Okay, the key is here,there are true men hidding among strawmen.  Did you think Chinese embassy in  Jugoslavia was bombed by strawmen.  Yes, I believe American democracy. But democracy can be found only in America. As a country,America has its' own interests just like any sefish man around us.

Hey Hannibal,

     You're not listening (reading.)  I'm not saying American government isn't nationlistic.  I'm not saying that some Americans aren't supremacists.  I'm saying that I'm not.  It's simple logic.  Some Americans are nationalistic doesn't mean all are.  By the same token, some Chinese are nationalistic, like yourself, but not all are.  One, such as myself, can be both American and Chinese without being nationalistic either way.  Btw, from what you wrote you clearly have no idea what strawmanizing means.  It means attacking the wrong issue.

Peace,

Michael

9-2-2004

   Nationalisic or not can not judge by oneself MengTzu...   And the best nationalist is a nationalist who pretended to be not...          

    Mengtzu When you talked about Tibet and Xinjiang,you think in a rather American way,did you realize that?   

    Besides, strawmanizing was not in my vocabulary, I learn it from you,Thx~

k, then I'll be the judge.

MengTzu is not nationalistic.

Hey Hannibal,

    You just shot yourself in the foot again.  So far on this board I didn't say a thing about whether Tibet should have independence (I did in another board in the old All-empires.)  You cannot therefore judge my view on Tibet to be American or otherwise.

Peace,

Michael

9-3-2004

Heheh, MengTuz ,I'll wait and see what's the content of your viewpoint about Tibet.

the original is a sun~~~

there not the only ones, Saudi Arabia is sinking too, as are parts of the Liousianna delta

But by the time these t5hings sink there probably wont be any humans left anyway or well live in hovering cities like the Jetsons

The sun looks like this?  lol.

Hey Moonster,

    Since this sinking process must have occurred over a very long period of time, it seems very unlikely that the Japanese actually recorded this process.  Besides, can you really tell that you're getting further and further away from the sun?  Sorry if I missed your point.  I also can't tell the difference between the first and second diagrams.

Peace,

Michael

10-6-2004