Napoleon’s Marshals: The Best?
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Topic: Napoleon’s Marshals: The Best?
Posted By: Lannes
Subject: Napoleon’s Marshals: The Best?
Date Posted: 12-Aug-2004 at 14:03
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Of Napoleon's many talented Marshals, which would you consider to be the best? Why? If you need some info about the marshals to help you along in your decision, check out this site: http://www.napoleonguide.com/marshind.htm - http://www.napoleonguide.com/marshind.htm --- My choices: Louis-Gabriel Suchet- IMO, the second best strategical and tactical mind of all the marshals. Also a very talented in the adminsitrative duties in the military. Really the only marshal to come out of the Pennisluar Campaign with any triumph to his name. Louis Davout- Well, if you were wondering who Suchet fell behind, wonder no more, becuase here is the man. Like Suchet, Davout was a very good in the military adminsitartive duties, and was certainly one of the most dependable marshals(if not the most dependable marshal).
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Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 12-Aug-2004 at 14:06
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I pick Murat, for being a descent cavalry commander, dressing like a clown and Berthier for his valuable staff work which made the large scale operations of the Grande Armee possible... |
Posted By: Tobodai
Date Posted: 12-Aug-2004 at 14:53
I pick your namesake Mr. Lannes, though I must admit that Bessieres gets points for sexy eyebrows ------------- "the people are nothing but a great beast... I have learned to hold popular opinion of no value." -Alexander Hamilton |
Posted By: Keltoi
Date Posted: 12-Aug-2004 at 14:54
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Davout was, like you said, one of the most dependable marshals, and being dependable is IMO the most important characteristics of a strong leader. ------------- Cymru am Byth |
Posted By: Lannes
Date Posted: 12-Aug-2004 at 16:14
Something I find rather amusing: The more ostentatious Murat's dress got, the worse a commander he became ------------- τρέφεται δέ, ὤ Σώκρατης, ψυχὴ τίνι; |
.Posted By: Genghis
Date Posted: 12-Aug-2004 at 16:49
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I would also say the Davout was the best because in addition to being a good battlefield, he could also operate independently. ------------- Member of IAEA |
Posted By: TJK
Date Posted: 12-Aug-2004 at 16:50
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1. Davout 2. Massena 3. Suchet 4. Lannes 5. Saint Cyr |
Posted By: Lannes
Date Posted: 12-Aug-2004 at 17:07
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Very good list. However, I would tend to think that Soult should beat out Saint Cyr for the #5 spot. Both Soult and Saint Cyr seem to be calm and sensible, but I think Soult showed he had a much better gift for organization and strategy in the battles for the Pyrenees. But, I'm curious, what boosts Saint Cyr to #5 for you? ------------- τρέφεται δέ, ὤ Σώκρατης, ψυχὴ τίνι; |
Posted By: TJK
Date Posted: 12-Aug-2004 at 19:15
Gouvion Saint-Cyr was probaby the best defensive commander of this age (he would challange with Wellington).. at 18.08.1812 he obtained a victory over the Russians at Polotsk and in 1813 he was one of verty few marshals who confirmed their ranks on the battlefield (Dresden, Lepizig)...in comparison with Soult I would say he was better..just because lack of Soult's tactical skill... |
Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 13-Aug-2004 at 15:32
LoL indeed...there must be a connection... interesting...no one yet choose Ney, I think he wasn't the best but a lot of authors do him injustice... ------------- |
Posted By: Lannes
Date Posted: 13-Aug-2004 at 16:01
Users that have selected Marshals seem to have slected their choices due to the Marshal's tactical or strategical ability rather than their leadership skills or by how brave the Marshal was... ------------- τρέφεται δέ, ὤ Σώκρατης, ψυχὴ τίνι; |
Posted By: fastspawn
Date Posted: 13-Aug-2004 at 23:56
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nay it is ney. I think he had that certain jene sais quoi that made him relate well with his troops, even though he didn't have the smartest of tactical minds. Was it him that became the "prince of moscow"? |
Posted By: Lannes
Date Posted: 14-Aug-2004 at 07:51
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Yes it was. His titles: Prince de la Moskowa, and the Duc d'Elchingen. ------------- τρέφεται δέ, ὤ Σώκρατης, ψυχὴ τίνι; |
Posted By: Quetzalcoatl
Date Posted: 14-Aug-2004 at 22:14
ROFLMAO
Murat and Napoleon at the Pyramid
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 18-Aug-2004 at 16:24
The single best of course, its Louis Davout, he ranks among the few generals in the world who have successfully pulled off the double envelopment on a larger enemy (Auerstadt) and also ranks among the few who never lost a battle in his life  (a shame he wasnt at waterloo to face the duke, i believe Davout was never really given any independent command either, a shame)
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Posted By: Genghis
Date Posted: 18-Aug-2004 at 23:18
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Napoleon would have been wise to make Davout commander in Spain with Suchet as his right hand man. ------------- Member of IAEA |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 28-Oct-2004 at 14:34
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I won't be very original: To me Davout was the best, the best in Austerlitz, the best in Jena... and he was not in Waterloo, what was a big Nap's failure. Although Davout was a merciless, kill-the-wounded-enemies general, Murat is associated to me with repression of Madrid's people when they quelled against Frenchs in 1808. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 15-Nov-2004 at 05:46
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TJK - and what with Jozef Poniatowski? |
Posted By: TJK
Date Posted: 15-Nov-2004 at 15:40
I see him on the 7th position - after first a.m. 5 and Soult... |
Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 16-Nov-2004 at 15:24
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and where's Berthier? ------------- |
Posted By: TJK
Date Posted: 17-Nov-2004 at 13:05
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On the separate list of best staff officers (together with Gneisenau and Toll) |