Today is the victory day of the Turkish nation.

Therefore i thought it would be nice to open a thread about this crucial subject of our history.

The agreements after the first world war were aiming the lands of the Ottoman Empire like sharing acake and abolishing the Ottoman Army.

Emerging defeated from the First World War, the Ottomans were forced to sign an armistice embracing the most onerous conditions, whereby the Anatolian Peninsula, that had been the Turkish homeland for a thousand years, was divided up and subjected to imperialistic designs.

The economy was a shambles, and from every standpoint the Ottoman society was in ruins and in collapse. Seemingly there was no hope. The views expressed at the Paris Peace Conference in 1919 were that Turkey would be divided up. But one thing had been forgotten, and that was that the Turks had founded one of the world's most powerful states with Anatolia at its core. Another fact was that the Turks had an ancient and deeply rooted past.

These facts, plus the fact that a people who had lived for centuries on this soil could not be dissolved, had to be made known to the world. To this end associations were founded in various parts of the country, and patriotic citizens did their best to organize. But meanwhile in the Aegean region the Greek Army was advancing swiftly, equipped by Great Britain with the most modern weapons of the day, the French were rapidly occupying in southeastern Anatolia and in the east the Army of the Armenian Republic was advancing. The Ottoman government, implementing the terms of the armistice, was against any form of resistance on the grounds that it would "anger" the enemies. What was to be done? To make matters worse:

In the wake of the First World War,supported by the winners,Greece invaded whole western Anatolia,which caused very dark,dark days for the Turkish Human beings for the following years.This dark day recorded in history as :15 May 1919.

The will of thenation made a decision:The war of Turkish Independence to survive.

After:

1.Inonu

2.Inonu

Kutahya-Eskisehir and Sakarya Pitched Battles between 1921-1922 with the Greek Army

it was the time for a major assault.

MAJOR ASSAULT

Nice thread

I wonder how many people in total died from both sides during the War of 1919-1922. Do any of you have accurate numbers?

Turkish indendence? When were they conquered? Deeply rooted past? Thats in Central Asia, not Anatolia. Turks only have a 1000 year history in Anatolia while Greeks and Armenians have lived there for over 3,000 years each. You dont seem to mention how the Turks came to live in Anatolia, by taking independence away from smaller nations and slaughtering them. When we tried to fight not even for independence but for survival, it was considered treason, but when you do it its an event that should be celebrated.

The army to the Republic of Armenia was advancing? They had just survived a Genocide at the hands of the Ottomans and had been independent for only ONE YEAR, and it was the Ottomans who were advancing to take the last bit of land that Armenians occupied because Armenia was crippled and newly independent. Armenians have been living in present-day eastern Turkey and the Caucasus for over 3,000 years, and our homelands were taken away through genocide by Ottoman forces. I know im going to get a lot of bitter responses from you guys, but its nothing personal, just something i have found to be true through reading accounts from both sides. It just sucks reading posts like that...

What year exactly are you referring about?

If you want to concentrate on history thousands of years ago, you better pack your bags. this kind of reasoning (which is wrong in the case you brought up) only brings up violence. It was the reason Greece invaded Turkey.

-In 1920 English Forces captured Istanbul,Istanbul was the capital Of Ottoman Empire as you know.

-In 15 March 1919,Grek Army supporting by the English landed in Izmir.They brought more soldiers,they captured Turkish cities.Aegean region was completely captured.When they were retreating,they left our villags in flames.Also Izmir was burned.

-French Forces, attacked southern Anatolia.Turkish Army could not go there,so Villagers and townspeople started a guerilla war and the French retreated to Syria from the city of Sivas in Central Anatolia.

-The Armenians attackd eastern Anatolia.They slaughtered people,their cruelity is still being told by elder people.

-Italians landed in South western Anatolia from th cities Izmir to Antalya.

-At that time Soviets bgan an Assault to the Balkans.

And we made a war.And you see this war unnecessary.And you say the cruel side was we.My answer:

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This crappy like arguement will get to nowhere.

Reason? An Armenian attacking the Turks; as usual...

Bah, I'll stay away from this nonsense crap. Both sides: save your propaganda to yourself.

An Armenian attacking the Turks... Its not an attack, its the exchange of historical facts, which is the purpose of this forum. Reason? Certain people twisting around history, as usual.

http://www.theforgotten.org - www.theforgotten.org

http://www.umd.umich.edu/dept/armenian/facts/genocide.html - http://www.umd.umich.edu/dept/armenian/facts/genocide.html

http://www.chgs.umn.edu/Histories__Narratives__Documen/Armenian_Genocide/Public_Petitions/public_petitions.html - http://www.chgs.umn.edu/Histories__Narratives__Documen/Armen ian_Genocide/Public_Petitions/public_petitions.html

Check any major university for their genocide studies.... you cant use that age-old excuse and call it Armenian propoganda.

Yes, that's indeed Armenian or Pro-Armenian propaganda.

But I really don't care about this stuff about Armenians. Say whatever you want.

I guess Armenia somehow paid off every major university in the U.S.

Better for me if you dont care...if thats the attitude of the typical Turk then good luck getting into the EU with such a humanist approach to things.

But at least you said BOTH sides throw out propaganda. Shows your an open-minded person and that your government failed in brainwashing you. Ill end the subject.

I don't care because for years, people have been talking about it and they have never managed to come to a common point. Trying to continuing arguements over the subject just disgusts me.

Besides, it's not in my area of interests. I'm not an expert on the subject, so I don't talk about it.

Anyway... Can someone answer my originay question?

Its not just in the United States. Canada and most of Europe agree that there was a genocide and there are genocide studies going on in many major countries. Also in Argentina and Uruguay. There are also Turkish scholars in the States and in Istanbul who have all said its time for Turkey to accept it and move on.

But im curious to see your stand on the genocide....maybe you agree it happened but just disagreed with my post....or you disagree with both...id like to know which.

And that Ataturk movie is in fact going to be made, so you dont have to worry. I believe it is going to be called "Blonde Wolf", and Ataturk is going to be played by Nick Nolte.

Only one or two, and they probably have Turkish Armenian origins (such as Halil Berktay). They are no more biased than Armenian genocide-crazy ultra-nationalists and Turkish extreme-nationalists.

Interesting... Do you have any details? A website?

AE never seems to change, does it? The assault and dissolution of the Ottoman Empire can be seen as the most critical crisis of Islam in the world. Despite the independence gained by Turkey, the power of a unified Islamic State no longer exists. Islam, once a most influential and powerful world philosophy, has at last crumbled under the "righteous" and "liberal Christian Protestant" (lmao) forces that promises liberation to those that go against it, even condoning atrocities against defenseless people. The massacres in Turkey are mutual. Its not one sided.

Some similar things has happened to China. Both were sickmen, both were nearly carved up by imperialistic forces, both fought some independence wars, in which both had its share of bloody battles and foreign intervention which supported the dying and corrupt monarchy (the Manchu dynasty and the Ottoman Sultanate) and both came out as bloodied Republics only to be abused by the imperialists well rooted and dug in to bash our faces. In my opinion, the world is generally anti-Islam, anti-China and anti-Communist.

one day we will conquer th europe

try to defend disgusting armenians

WE ARE YOUR MASTER

EUROPE W�LL OBEY TO US WHEN WE W�LL BE MEMBER OF EU

iN THE NAME OF GLOR�OUS ENVER PASHA AND GREYWOLF

Someone needs to snap out of their wet dream.

And you call Armenians disgusting when you call Enver Pasha glorious? Hmmmmmm. Interesting opinion.

Europe will eat Turkey that day...

Listen, Armenian...

You do not have the right to mock with the name of my "Independence War"! We gained our independence from the Greeks, French, British, Italians and Armenians so shut up! We lived in agony,destruction and war for 10 long years! (1912-1922). We lost many good men everywhere. No one gives a rat-ass about you freaking so called "genocide" !! Everybody knows you use it to attack our country. The Armenians in Armenia need Turkey to interact with the world. It is you, the "fake" Armenians in France and USA who try to flame these people against us. You are all being paid by some policymakers who allowed sh*t like 9/11 to happen just because they could have more American money spent in war.

We got back our freedom and independence inch by inch for thousands of casulties every day. So go somewhere else to run your ridicolous claims!!!

Well, Serbs wanted to make a genocide and Nazis also did but there are still Bosnians and Jews around...

Lol moderator, you speak in third person to victory4ever...

Originally posted by ConquerorTR Stop crying !!!!If Ottomans really wanted to make a genocide , be sure that today there weren't be a nation called Armenians ...  i didn't hear a tomb of armenian at east anatolia but full with Turks tombs at there who were killed by armenian gangs

Calm down, being able to massacre a race when you outnumber them 50 to 1 is no big accomplishment. Read a book, buddy. You dont hear of tombs of Armenians in east Anatolia because its controlled by Turkey. Armenians were not formally buried during the Genocide. And for someone thats so sure it didnt happen you obviously got pretty butt-hurt from my comments.

But yes, reading neutral sources will aid greatly in your narrow-mindedness of the whole situation.

My claims are ridiculous? Im not the one promoting nationalistic ideals in the non-English forum. Lol, some liberal you are. That is all i shall say, arguing with narrow-minded and emotionally unstable people like you only results in flaming. You also are blind of the fact that many Ottoman soldiers were in fact Armenian , but of course you would never admit that. It cannot be that your pure Turkish race has been plagued with the Infidel Armenians right....Turkish nationalist. Ive read your translations from the Turkish forum. Trying to promote your Pan-Turkic ideals in the Turkish forums is pretty pathetic. But sorry, Gallipoli, most Turks arent as evil as you and will not "unite" for such a stupid cause such as yours. You are a horrible representation of your race, im glad the other Turkish forumers arent like you because they actually have brains and rationality. You have nothing because you are a rascist nationalist fueled only by emotion. You have heart, as black as it may be, so why dont you get a brain to compliment it?

Why is this thread still open? Why didn't the admins lock it while I was in vacation?

Anyway, this thread has been locked as it goes to nowehere.