???????I think he was turkish,or was he

Maybe he was ethnically a Turk, or a Mongol, whatever, it is irrelevant, he says so himself. His significance is in his philosophy and his poetry. His philosophy is actively anti-divisive (he would be disgusted by these little people trying to make him a Turk or a Persian).

On the other hand, by his poetry, he is obviously Persian. So it is better to call him a Persian poet, not necessarily meaning that he is of Persian ethnicity, but meaning that he is a poet of the Persian language. It is absurdly pathetic to call him a Turkish poet, because poetry is about language, and language only.

This fight over his 'ethnicity' is because some people are brainwashed by modern (western) ideas of racial purity and ethno-cultural nationalism. If you really want some of the credit for the Turks, you can say that he lived in Turkey, because the Turkish Sultanate of Rum, who were our ancestors, was a very enlightened place. Which was quite true. It also means that in terms of political identity he was a Turkish subject, just like the Azeris who are Turkics but politically Iranians. This (political) identity is, in many ways, more important than ethnic identity.   

An old fashioned and boring problem.Last month I was in an Afghan Forum and all afghans believed that he was an Afghan because he was born in Balkh in modern day Afghanistan.

Turkman from Chorasan

It doesn't,there was a heated discussion between land of aryan and some of our turkish members,so i thought i'd open a thread on it

Pardon my ignorance, but who is Mevlana??

He is a Persian poet!

Originally posted by Jazz Pardon my ignorance, but who is Mevlana??

Check this out, it'll explain who he is better.  http://www.mevlana.net/index.htm - http://www.mevlana.net/index.htm

Rumi hasn't said it:

"Come, come again, whoever you are, come!
Heathen, fire worshipper or idolatrous, come!
Come even if you broke your penitence a hundred times,
Ours is the portal of hope, come as you are."

but:

"Baza baza, har ancheh hasti, bazay
Gar kafar o gabr o botparasti, bazay
In dargah-e ma dargah nomidi nist
Sad bar agar tobeh shekasti, bazay"

speaking the language does not make you persian

isnt it a little weird to choose nation of Mevlana by democracy?

By the way, Mevlana have Turkish poets too.

He even  write greek.

I think this is the best description of him. I am sure He prefered this  in stead of Turk or Persian.

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Where is chorasan? You mean Khorasan? The population of Khorasan is six million, the highest estimate of Turkman in Iran is 1.4 million and not confined to Khorasan, a lot are still nomads, most of them have been  ever since they arrived in Iran, only urbanising or settling during theQajar period.  I highly doubt Rumi was ethnically Turkmen, if he was then his father's only language as a nomad would have been Turkmen and he would have been illiterate, not a scholar.

1207-73, great Islamic Persian sage and poet mystic, b. in Balkh. His father, a scholar, was invited by the Seljuk sultan of Rum to settle in Iconium (now Konya), Turkey. His apprenticeship as a Sufi mystic was guided by the mysterious Shams ad-Din Tabrizi (d. 1247), who was considered one of the spiritual masters of Rumi's age.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/r/rumi-j1al.asp - http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/r/rumi-j1al.asp

This isn't a conspiracy against the Turkish nation.

He was a Persian form Afghanistan, but it doesn't matter... because he was a homosexsual humanist. 

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri Pardon my ignorance, but who is Mevlana?? He is a Persian poet!

He is a Khwarezmian (Turkish) Empire Poet from a Iranian origin.

Guys, in Empire ethnicity is a second thing. He was a citizen of a Turkish Empire. Like Selahattin Eyyubi was a citizen of Seljuk Atabeglik. Their roots are not THAT important. Case closed.

tatar44 How do you learn his sexual choice? I think this is a history post. Not fantasy post.

Ramin so? This means sexual love?

that he never got married

I think this is wrong my friend. He have son named Velid(If I dont remember wrong)

He had. I think even their family have a web page in Internet.

By the way Salahedin he is kurd. Well I wish he is Turk. He honored his kind well.

But I heard also his brother name was Turkish.

read his book in wich he fantasize about boys.

You're right, you can find it here: http://www.mevlana.net/index.htm - http://www.mevlana.net/index.htm

Not really Selahattin is Turkish.

I say, Selahattin is a Kurdish-origined and Molavi is an Iranian-origined Turkish Empire citizen. That gives the main credit to the empire.

It is very similar in US now. There are Chinese Americans, African Americans, Italian Americans, etc...

Main thing is, Selahattin gave a Turkish name tp his brother, Tug Tekin. He spoke Turkish, behaved like Turkish, that' s the drill.

Molavi, yes wrote the poems in Farsi, but still it makes him a citizen of Turkish Empire, Khwarizm Shahdom.

If we try to investigate the roots, origins od todays Turks, no one is Turkish Ramin. You will see many Greeks, Bulgarians, Iranians, Kurds, etc...

But we say we are Turkish.

Selahattin was a Seljuk.

Hulago khan!

All of the world know that "Salaheddin ayyubi" was a KURD!! You can buy a ticket,go to Erbil and see how Kurds are loving him and considering him to be a Kurdish hero!

STOP STEALING IRANIAN HERITAGE!

Turkish citizens!

How funny to focus on citizenship in 1000 years ago?!

Man! we are talking about Medieval ages! get it?

It's like to say,Strabo was an Italian because he was a Roman empire's citizen!

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Ardashir clean your message please and be polite!!!!

mageh bach shodi mard??!!!! fekr mikoni Unha farsi nemidoonand??!!!

"Salaheddin ayyubi" was a KURD!!

STOP STEALING IRANIAN HERITAGE!

Guys I do not say Selahattin was not a Kurd. Yes sure he was a Kurd. Molavi was sure a Persian Poet.

We are all reasonable people here, Persians always had greatest poets.

I just wanted to mention that, they were the citizens of an Empire, a Turkish one.

Anyway, you can not find a real Turk very easily now in Turkey. If we think like you, Turkey should divide, because we have Iranians, Greeks, Caucasians, etc... And let the real Turks have some couple of cities, if possible seaside please. 

I am not saying Kurds of Turkey are Iranians,but IRANICs! In the same way,Turkmens of north-eastern Iran are not Turkish (=citizens of Turkey) but TURKICs!

If you can't get this,I am not responsible!

Turkmens of north-eastern Iran  they call themself Turk. Do Kurds call themself iranic too? I think all people have to right name theirself.

We dont have right to give names to them.

There is less known about the origin of Selladdin. Thet's the reason why kurds claimed him. 

Tatar44

Actually the origin of Saladdin is completely known.Refer to Arabic history books at that time.It was they that mentioned saladdin is kurd.

Not really... Turkmens are Turkic not Turk and they call themselves Turkmen and they speak Turkmen!! The difference between Kurds and Iranians is same with difference between Turks and Turkmens!!!

Who Can Siad Movelna is turk this is  new Cabbage

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Prince of persia

Infact He lived most of his life in anatolia.He made all work in anatolia. I dont know he is turk or persian but even he is persian, He had not much common things with persian. He lived in Turkish culture. and He had common things with turks.So If you look mevlana You will saw Turkish Culture. But If you look where he borned of whom he borned , This is another bussines.

Midas He write Turkish, Arab, and greek too. Infact I dont care Who will own Mevlana, If Greek wants Mevlana can be greek. But They should change name a little I think.

He born in Konya, his father moved to Konya after he was invited by a Seljuq Sutlan before he was born.

Not really. Kurds are Iranic people, and Turkmens are Turkic people, but in fact, the name "Turk" was used by Europeans to classify us. The Turkish origin of Anatolian Turks is Turkmen. So in fact, we are Turkmens, and all Turkic people are Turks, like all Iranic people are Iranians, but not Persians.

How do you know he looked like this?  How do you know his nose was like this, his eyes wer elike this?  His beard was like this?  You dont know these things, nobody does.  Rumi himself would never fight over his ethnicity, he spoke Persian, he spoke Turkish, he loved his religion and his God, Allah.  In the end, that is all he would want to be remembered by.

Let him rest in his grave knowing people love him for what he wrote, not what ethnicity he was.

I agree.

And Zagros, Oghuz arent Turkmen, it is consisted of 24 (9 main) of Muslim, nonMuslim tribes. But during the Islamic expansion when Arabs reached Central Asia and met with Turks there, some western Turks (mainly Oguz) became Muslims. Then Muslim Turkic states and nonMuslim ones became rivals, such as Karakhanid State and Oguz Yabgu, Seljuk and Oguzz Yabgu etc. Western Turks (mostly Oguz) generally became Muslims, and to differ the Muslim Turks from the others, they were called "Turkiman"s, Turk+iman, Turk with religious belief. So mostly Oguz becamr Turkiman (because of Turkish grammer rules, Turkmen). So simply Turkmen are Muslim Oguz.

Aygucu Tonyukuk:

Balkh before Mongol invasion was completely a Persian language speaking city. Did you use a Time Tunnel to have connection with Rumi?

I thought the word Turkmen was of Persian origin?  COming from the Persian, "Turk-manand"  Meaning of Turkish variety.  The turks took this word and called themselves "Turkman"  The same way they took "Muslimeen" and made it "Musulman"