US Foreign Policy’s Greatest Defier
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Topic: US Foreign Policy’s Greatest Defier
Posted By: Komnenos
Subject: US Foreign Policy’s Greatest Defier
Date Posted: 23-May-2005 at 14:11
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Got this idea from a thread on "Rome's greatest defier".
So, who in your opinion is the most important, or most successful, or most charismatic of these opponents of US policies? I know that unlike the Roman, the American Empire is still alive and kicking, but we might as well have some intermediate results, or indeed an exit poll in. ------------- [IMG]http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i137/komnenos/crosses1.jpg"> |
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 23-May-2005 at 14:30
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Fidel Castro. He overthrew an American puppet and rules a communist government only 200 km from Florida.
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Posted By: cattus
Date Posted: 23-May-2005 at 14:54
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Just as Rome's greatest defier could have been itself, Americas might be as well(ex. Vietnam).
Ill go with Mixcoatl and Fidel Castro who hangs out in the US backyard. ------------- |
Posted By: The Golden Phallanx
Date Posted: 23-May-2005 at 15:02
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Could someone give a short biography on each of these individuals?
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Posted By: hugoestr
Date Posted: 23-May-2005 at 15:48
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Fidel Castro is the most successful, although his victory is mostly symbolic. After the U.S. rejected his pleas for help, he went with the competition, was in the middle of a nuclear crisis, and managed to secure some kind of a promise that the U.S. was not going to invade his island. It has worked for the next 40 years.
In the long run, though, I think that the role of Fidel Castro is not going to be that important. He managed to survive, but the real impact on the U.S. is practically nonexistent. I voted for Fidel because of his survival, but I agree with Catt: the U.S. may be its own worst enemy. ------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 23-May-2005 at 17:07
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Correct me if I'm wrong about this...
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Posted By: Jalisco Lancer
Date Posted: 23-May-2005 at 21:32
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Fidel Castro has been in power over 40 years and became the long lasting ruler on contemporary times. He has survived to the Cold war, 10 US Administration, one invasion, the longst economic blockade, the fall of the communism in Europe and large quantity of assesination attempts. |
Posted By: Cywr
Date Posted: 24-May-2005 at 00:59
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Gerhard Schroeder? I'd say Fidel Castro too, but i voted for George Galloway, to make the poll look more intresting. 
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Posted By: Komnenos
Date Posted: 24-May-2005 at 03:27
Well, he did oppose the Iraqi war, didn't he? But I mainly included him, cause I couldn't think of aother European. ------------- [IMG]http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i137/komnenos/crosses1.jpg"> |
Posted By: Cywr
Date Posted: 24-May-2005 at 03:34
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How about Chirac? He also opposed the Iraqi war, AND he's French!
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Posted By: Komnenos
Date Posted: 24-May-2005 at 05:49
Yeah, I had Chirac instead of Schroeder in my original draft, but as I thought neither of them would get a lot of votes anyway, I included Schroeder for mildly patriotic reasons. In any case, Schroeder needs all the support he can get and being voted the US' greatest defier in AE might just swing the upcoming general elections in Germany in his favour. ------------- [IMG]http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i137/komnenos/crosses1.jpg"> |
Posted By: Tobodai
Date Posted: 24-May-2005 at 06:48
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What about "other?" do they all have to be modern? How about Emilio Auginauldo? ------------- "the people are nothing but a great beast... I have learned to hold popular opinion of no value." -Alexander Hamilton |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 24-May-2005 at 07:40
I'm not sure about that. Kim-Il Sung ruled for 46 years (longer actually, he's still 'eternal president'  ). Fidel Castro also rules for 46 years.------------- |
Posted By: Cywr
Date Posted: 24-May-2005 at 20:13
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What about Franco, how long did he rule for? And that Portugues guy?
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Posted By: Jalisco Lancer
Date Posted: 24-May-2005 at 20:16
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Franco did not oppose to the US, otherwise he could be removed from power after the end of WWII. |
Posted By: Cywr
Date Posted: 24-May-2005 at 22:48
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I was thinking about contender for longest ruling leader.
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Posted By: Gubook Janggoon
Date Posted: 24-May-2005 at 23:02
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What about Degaulle?
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Posted By: poirot
Date Posted: 25-May-2005 at 00:55
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Osama bin Ladin? ------------- AAAAAAAAAA "The crisis of yesterday is the joke of tomorrow.� ~ HG Wells |
Posted By: cattus
Date Posted: 25-May-2005 at 00:59
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Nah, he only made it worse. He's pretty much a dead man anyway. ------------- |
Posted By: Komnenos
Date Posted: 25-May-2005 at 03:46
Greatest defier of US foreign policy? If it weren't that absurd, I would say he actually doesn't exist and the Bush/Haliburton regime invented him to assist them with their aims! Hang on a minute! |
Posted By: Yiannis
Date Posted: 25-May-2005 at 03:56
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Well, if he never existed then he should be invented. The Bush regime could never find a better ally in order to promote their plans! Remember, someone has to be "bad" in order for you to appear as "good"... if it's not the communists, it's the Jews, if not then the "Islamist terrorists". Tomorrow it will someone else, perhaps you! ------------- The basis of a democratic state is liberty. Aristotle, Politics Those that can give up essential liberty to obtain a temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 25-May-2005 at 06:02
36 years and Salazar ruled for 34 years IIRC Enver Hoxha (40 years) is another top-10 candidate as is Gnassinbé Eyedema (37).
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Posted By: Komnenos
Date Posted: 25-May-2005 at 06:11
I would certainly be honoured if the Bush/Haliburton regime would declare me as their enemy Numero Uno, but I fear you over-estimate my influence and importance a little. But I will do my best and try! |
Posted By: The Golden Phallanx
Date Posted: 25-May-2005 at 14:43
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Putting Komnenos and importance together is like putting fearsomeness and a mouse together. Matter of fact my cat would serve as a better candidate to the title "importance" !!! ------------- We are all a result of what we have lived. Culture, attitude, perspective. For everything we do, there is a reason. There is no true evil, only the absence of proper communication. |
Posted By: Komnenos
Date Posted: 25-May-2005 at 18:39
Alas, your grasp of sarcasm and irony is about as developed as your understanding of German history. Apart from that, you can add me to the ever growing list of people who in future will refuse to communicate with you! Maybe the Samaritans are prepared to listen, I'm certainly not! ------------- [IMG]http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i137/komnenos/crosses1.jpg"> |
Posted By: Jalisco Lancer
Date Posted: 25-May-2005 at 18:42
Hi Cwyr, I took it then in the other way 
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