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Topic: How can a false charge of desecrating the Holy Koran = this!!
Posted By: eaglecap
Subject: How can a false charge of desecrating the Holy Koran = this!!
Date Posted: 16-May-2005 at 23:13
Riots over a rumoer lead this sixteen deaths in Afganistan but you do not hear a pip from the mainstream media over this. Only on the Savage Nation!!!

DESTROYED AND DESECRATED CHRISTIAN ORTHODOX SHRINES IN KOSOVO AND METOHIJA

link:
http://www.balkanpeace.org/destruct/clist.html - http://www.balkanpeace.org/destruct/clist.html
Newsweek Retracts Story on Quran Abuse- this reporter should be held accountable for his lie.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050516/ap_on_re_us/newsweek_quran - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050516/ap_on_re_us/newsweek_qur an

more
http://www.balkanpeace.org/monitor/koskss/kss22.html - http://www.balkanpeace.org/monitor/koskss/kss22.html



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Posted By: vulkan02
Date Posted: 17-May-2005 at 01:12
what can you say hate breeds hate and in Kosovo it goes both ways... its a shame that so many historic buildings have gone up in smoke tho 

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Posted By: Tobodai
Date Posted: 17-May-2005 at 02:23
Because religion appeals often to mindless nuts, who upon seeking the flimsiest excuse beleive that the evil acts of their enemies whether true or not have given them divine right to go attack innocent people.

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Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 17-May-2005 at 14:44
Originally posted by Tobodai

Because religion appeals often to mindless nuts, who upon seeking the flimsiest excuse beleive that the evil acts of their enemies whether true or not have given them divine right to go attack innocent people.


We agree on something else but I think a person can be spiritual without being religious. I believe in that big cosmic computer in the sky but I respect all other views.



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Posted By: Kentuckian
Date Posted: 17-May-2005 at 18:04

morals come from within....believing in a deity doesn't make you a better person, but to some it is the ticket to do whatever they want

 



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Posted By: strategos
Date Posted: 17-May-2005 at 20:55

. And this destroying of Orthodox churchs was what, retaliation? These extremists are nothing but barbaric people who take out innocent lives, but many of the head terrorists are not man enough to take their own lives, but use poor mindless civilians to do their dirty work.

Guess i should tkae it out then.



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Posted By: hugoestr
Date Posted: 17-May-2005 at 21:08
This fake desecration was just an act by some extremist to try to provoke riots from the Muslims all over the Middle East against the US.


That extremist was a Pentagon official who told them the story, and another one who they gave the written story to comment on it and didn't complain about this claim. When newsweek went back to the original source, he recanted his story.




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Posted By: TheodoreFelix
Date Posted: 17-May-2005 at 21:24

DESTROYED AND DESECRATED CHRISTIAN ORTHODOX SHRINES IN KOSOVO AND METOHIJA

The albanian orthodox community headed by the church in tirana payed back for many of these churches. Many of whom were done by extremists. It is a big shame and I was very angry when I heard this. Completely disrespectful, irresposible and horribly shameful. But like I said, the restoration of many of these churches is coming out of the pockets of many Albanians.



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Posted By: hugoestr
Date Posted: 18-May-2005 at 09:57
Hmmm. So this claim has been going around for a lot longer. As this story says, the U.S. government has allowed so many disgraceful practices that its credibility is, may I say?, in the toilet.

But American and international media have widely reported similar allegations from detainees and others of desecration of the Muslim holy book for more than two years.

James Yee, a former Muslim chaplain at the prison who was investigated and cleared of charges of mishandling classified material, has asserted that guards' mishandling and mistreatment of detainees' Korans led the prisoners to launch a hunger strike in March 2002. Detainee lawyers, attributing their information to an interrogator, have said the strike ended only when military leaders issued an apology to the detainees over the camp loudspeaker. But they said mishandling of the Koran persisted.

Erik Saar, a former Army translator at Guantanamo Bay who has written a book about mistreatment of detainees at the military prison, said in interviews and his book that he never saw a Koran flushed in a toilet but that guards routinely ignored prisoners' sensitivities by tossing it on the ground while searching their cells.

And numerous detainees, whose stories are uncorroborated, have said to various media outlets that at detention facilities in Guantanamo Bay and Afghanistan, the Koran was stepped on, tossed on the floor and placed in latrines.

"They tore the Koran to pieces in front of us, threw it into the toilet," former detainee Aryat Vahitov told Russian television in June 2004.




The government has acknowledged that two female interrogators have been reprimanded, one for making sexually suggestive remarks to a detainee, and the other for smearing fake menstrual blood on a captive. Detainee lawyers said the purpose of the tactics was to cause stress based on the prisoners' religious beliefs that they would be unclean and could not pray.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7889427
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7889427 - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7889427

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Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 18-May-2005 at 14:20
It was an industrial sized toilet-
You don't see Christian groups rioting over this today!
Maybe the guard had his handy dandy Ronco dicer with hime!!!

     WND FLUSH TO JUDGMENT
Palestinians used Bible
as toilet paper
Muslims' desecration of holy book received little notice
Posted: May 18, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
While Muslims have responded with deadly outrage to the now-retracted report by Newsweek of alleged Quran desecration by U.S. interrogators, there was little outcry three years ago when Islamic terrorists holed up in Bethlehem's Church of the Nativity reportedly used the Bible as toilet paper.

Catholic priests in the church marking the spot where Jesus was believed to have been born said that during the five-week siege, Palestinians tore up some Bibles for toilet paper and removed many valuable sacramental objects, according to a May 15, 2002, report by the Washington Times.

Newsweek is under fire for a report in its May 9 edition that sparked protests and rioting across the Muslim world resulting in 17 dead, scores injured, relief buildings burned down and a setback to years of coalition-building against terrorists.

Newsweek's Periscope column written by Michael Isikoff and John Barry included a brief item alleging U.S. military investigators at the Guantanamo Bay prison found evidence that interrogators placed copies of the Quran down the toilet in an effort to get prisoners to talk.

Despite Newsweek's retraction, the outrage in the Muslim world continues.

In Saudi Arabia yesterday, the country's top religious authority, Grand Mufti Adul-Aziz al-Sheik, condemned the alleged desecration and called for an investigation "to alleviate the sorrow that befell Muslims."

"We condemn and denounce this criminal act against Muslims' most sacred item," al-Sheik said.

Afghanistan's government said Newsweek should be held responsible for damages caused by the demonstrations, and Pakistan said the magazine's apology and retraction were "not enough."

In contrast, during the 2002 church siege, the muted complaints of Christians under the Muslim-dominated Palestinian Authority gained little traction.

The Palestinian gunmen, members of Yasser Arafat's Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, seized church stockpiles of food and "ate like greedy monsters" until the food ran out, while more than 150 civilians went hungry, the Washington Times report said.

The indulgence lasted about two weeks into the 39-day siege, when the food and drink ran out, according to an account by four Greek Orthodox priests trapped inside. A church helper told the Times the quantity of food consumed by the gunmen in the first 15 days should have lasted six months.

Angry Orthodox priests showed reporters empty bottles of whiskey, champagne, vodka, cognac and French wine on the floor along with hundreds of cigarette butts.



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