Why do we have to do everything?  Isn't anyone else capable?  try the UN... where are they when the US and a couple Britons are doing their job.  yes Iran needs to be purged of its tyrannical government but can't we just get a bit of help.

French opposition, that's the problem

well not just French other too, im not saying its only the French just that they are the main ones

French opposition? lol!  There isn't such a thing!  There is only French nagging.  Nag, nag, nag.  That's all they do.  So what do people with common sense do?  Screw what they say and bomb whoever the hell they think is a threat. 

But it will be a preemptive strike, probally by the US because everyone else is going to sit and watch the pretty lights fall on Iran.

thegeneral has a great point... French nagging

you know one of the biggest jokes in my high school is "I know 3 phrases in French: 1. Bonjour=hello, 2. excuse-moi=excuse me, 3. I surrender"

Yeah, and what is the first thing they teach French kids in school?  How to say "I surrender" in German.  Come here for some great French jokes: http://www.geocities.com/wallacejohnus/ - http://www.geocities.com/wallacejohnus/
http://www.fortliberty.org/patriotic-humor/french-jokes.shtml - http://www.fortliberty.org/patriotic-humor/french-jokes.shtm l

They are the best things I have ever read, lol!

I doubt Israel will do anything.  I'd liek to see them help with that but they can't take on such a big task by themselves.  And America is not as occupied with Iraq as much as it has been.  Atleast they now have a police force.

Ode to France

Eleven thousand soldiers lay beneath the dirt and stone,
all buried on a distant land so far away from home.

For just a strip of dismal beach they paid a hero's price,
to save a foreign nation they all made the sacrifice.

And now the shores of Normandy are lined with blocks of white:
Americans who didn't turn from someone else's plight.

Eleven thousand reasons for the French to take our side,
but in the moment of our need, they chose to run and hide.

Chirac said every war means loss, perhaps for France that's true,
for they've lost every battle since the days of Waterloo.

Without a soldier worth a damn to be found within the region,
the French became the only land to need a Foreign Legion.

You French all say we're arrogant. Well hell, we've earned the right--
We saved your sorry nation when you lacked the guts to fight.

But now you've made a big mistake, and one that you'll regret;
you took sides with our enemies, and that we won't forget.

It wasn't just our citizens you spit on when you turned,
but every one of yours who fell the day the towers burned.

You spit upon our soldiers, on our pilots and Marines,
and now you'll get a little sense of just what payback means.

So keep your Paris fashions and your wine and your champagne,
and find some other market t that will buy your aeroplanes.

And try to find somebody else to wear your French cologne,
for you're about to find out what it means to stand alone.

You see, you need us far more than we ever needed you.
America has better friends who know how to be true.

I'd rather stand with warriors who have the will and might,
than huddle in the dark with those whose only flag is white.

I'll take the Brits, the Aussies, the Israelis and the rest,
for when it comes to valor we have seen that they're the best.

We'll count on one another as we face a moment dire,
while you sit on the sideline with a sign, "friendship for hire."

We'll win this war without you and we'll total up the cost,
and take it from your foreign aid, and then you'll feel the loss.

And when your nation starts to fall, well Frenchie,
you can spare us, just call the Germans for a hand, they know the way to Paris.

Don Fichthorn, Major USMC (Retired)

Slandering of other countries or posting insulting little jingles as "jokes" is not welcomed in this forum. If you like to critisize the French (or any other-in any case most countries share French concerns) attidute toward the war in Iraq, then state your arguments.

Please grow up!

Sorry Yiannis, I just couldn't resist.

Because you're the only one dumb enough to put the preventive war in application.

We must be a very important political power then to spoil the US strategy then.

Just like I said, we must be a very big political power to be more noticed than the others.

You could start with Saudi Arabia. How many terrorists from the 11/09 came from there?

First the nice green light, then the families crying when the corpses of their children come back to the USA.

So it's settled; your a kid for high school! I surrender isn't French in case you didn't notice BTW.

American humour at its best. I assume it's still better than Jerry Lewis though.

Go ahead then .

In Iraq?

Think of Vietnam and Cuba..... and Somalia too.

The USA have one too, it's called the US army. It's full of Mexican applying for the green card.

The USA only exist because my ancestors felt sorry for your.

Now we are scared.

Yeah, boycott our product like you actually do. You know, buy our wine to destroy it in front of the white house. That's the best concept of boycott I ever saw.

France is a big foreign investor in the USA. You are not in position to threaten us.

Stand with the Arabs then, they are the most courageous warriors in this war.

France doesn't receive any help from the USA anymore. France is a strong foreign investor in the USA. You can't hurt us, the only nations we are in deficit with are mostly asians.

At least they know where it is. I expect the USA to bomb the Texan Paris thinking it's France.

My pleasure, my background is bigger than your.

Is it common sense to invade a country based on the assumption that their are WMD's, which do not actually exist? It is common sense to invade a country to fight terrorism, of which there was actually none, and then cause a massive increase in that which you were trying to eliminate? Your right, looking back the French policy of refusing to enter a hopeless quagmire for no benifit is illogical....

Why wouldn't any sane nation sit back? Based on the example of Iraq, an invasion of Iran would only cause an increase in terrorism and smuggling, and a loss of resources and prestige for the invader. What would the purpose be; creating a stable democratic regime: that clearly is more trouble than its worth. Should they go to war to liberate the country? What responsibility do other nations have to free Irans people from tyanny? None.

Have you forgotten that the french are the primary reason why we were able to achieve independance and found this country? More importantly, you must understand that any nation will put its own interests above some hazy commitment to its allies. You have no logical reason to bash the French, so stop doing it. If America continues on its assasine course, the last laugh will be on them.

I have already said I am stopping with the French jokes.  Did you not read?

Of course countries will put their own intersts in front of what their allies want.  But you must admit, we did come to the Frenchs' aid during WWII when we really had more to lose by helping them.  But we did have our reasons to help.

America is on a fine path.  It has not changed from the one that was set hundreds of years ago by our found fathers.  the only differnce is that the publis, culture, and society has changed; for the worst, I must add.

quite right, hugoestr

We did not have more to lose by fighting the Second World war in Europe. We only helped our ally when we were attcked at Pearl Harbor, and then only because it was in our interest: if the axis won in Europe, we would have had a circle of enemies all around us. America certainly gained alot, we became the superpower that we are today.

America is not on a fine path, internationally or domestically, certainly not the one intended by the founding fathers: that is another issue though, and I have to leave; deal with that later.

Exactly, the US is on the same path that the founding fathers et us upon.  And exactly, wherever you go there is inequality; that includes Iraq, France, Britain, Russia, Germany, execter execter.

And we did not have more to loose than France and them.  If Pearl Harbor had not happened we would not have interceeded because we had no big reason too.  And it is funny how back then France and Britain loved when we entered a war and yet now adays, when we get attacked first, no one decides to help us.  That's what we get, huh.   That sure teaches us a lesson; just let Europe beat the crap out of eachother.

It probally was yours, Mixcoatl.  Thanks for that, lol! 

Haha, can you really believe that?  We were at war, in a total war, you sound so absurd saying that.

Yes but what we did by dropping the bomb was an act of war.  What those that were listed are are acts of terror and not an act of war.  And show do you propose we should have ended the war with Japan?

quite right, hugoestr, my grandfather was going to be in the second wave of the assault on Japan....the leaders of the army told them to kill anything that moved...anything that moved...man, dog, woman

this was necessary because of the Japanese mentality to fight to end and never give up, a suppression there such as the one in Iraq never would have worked.

now, i ask the bombs or the invasion?

the results would have greatly varied....draw your own conclusions