Stone of Destiny - Scotland
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Topic: Stone of Destiny - Scotland
Posted By: Explorer
Subject: Stone of Destiny - Scotland
Date Posted: 23-Nov-2013 at 23:38
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http://www.history.com/shows/america-unearthed/episodes
Quote: .... It was once kept with the Ark of the Covenant and both are rumored to have been brought to America. Scott's quest for the truth leads him to a sacred site in Ireland called the Hill of Tara.... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/f...ands-soul.html |
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Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 11-Dec-2013 at 16:55
Well, Scott Wolter would have made a good Arborist, he has an affinity for, and seems comfortable with, climbing out onto limbs. 
However, he like so many others who have investigated these things have focused only on the limbs, and miss the tree.
------------- "Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces". Unknown. |
Posted By: toyomotor
Date Posted: 28-Dec-2013 at 20:04
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"Well, Scott Wolter would have made a good Arborist, he has an affinity for, and seems comfortable with, climbing out onto limbs. Wink
However, he like so many others who have investigated these things have focused only on the limbs, and miss the tree." I'd go far as to say that he can't even see the forest, let alone climb trees. This is just another attempt to bastardise history. IF the Ark of The Covenant exists, I'd like to see proof that it's in the USA. According to Ethiopians, it's at the ancient city of Axum in Ethiopia, where it has been since it was allegedly stolen by Menelik, Son of King Solomon and the Queen of Sheba. IF IT EXISTS. The Stone of Destiny (or Stone of Scone) is allegedly in the British Museum in London. There is only a replica at Scone in Scotland. |
Posted By: TheAlaniDragonRising
Date Posted: 29-Dec-2013 at 09:43
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toyomotor, let us not forget that this is also the story that the Scots got wind of Edward's intention towards the stone, so replacing it and hiding the original. ------------- What a handsome figure of a dragon. No wonder I fall madly in love with the Alani Dragon now, the avatar, it's a gorgeous dragon picture. |
Posted By: toyomotor
Date Posted: 29-Dec-2013 at 20:48
Yes, so who knows which stone is the original? As for the Ark of the Covenant, I've wondered for years if the Ethiopians have it, why not provide evidence? |
Posted By: Arthur-Robin
Date Posted: 29-Dec-2013 at 23:59
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There are tons of Ark theories (Skull Hill (Ron Wyatt)*, a cave/room under Jerusalem now sealed with rocks/concrete (modern Jews)*, Engedi*, Qumran, between Jerusalem & Qumran (imaging)*, Nebo/Pisgah, Jordan church (via Vatican/Vandals/Byzantium), Ethiopia (Cornuke/Hancock)*, Tara, US/America (Mormons), Japan, Bethesda (one of my own), Pyrenes/Pacific (Hatcher-Childress/Lemurian Fellowship), destroyed/heaven (Revelation), Babylon, Sinai, Masada, halfway between Moses & Aaron's burial places (Pseudepigrapha), Galilee (Muslim), Vatican, Egypt (like Indiana Jones), Lemba, Arabia (think i saw awhile ago, might have been Hatcher-Childress)? UK (think i've seen/heard one similar to Tara one)?). There is also an "ark" depicted at Nabratein. The 5 most convincing ones are asterisked. Though perhaps the "ark" in Ethiopia could possibly be the Table of the Sun mentioned in Herodotus? Doubtfully, there could possibly be a connection of Tara and "ark" with Sarras and grail? (though Sarras seems to not be Tara but somewhere else.) Just wondering if could be any connection of stone of Scone with the London Stone? |
Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 30-Dec-2013 at 15:21
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I personally go with the Ark being at Aksum, Ethiopia. Hancock was able to interview the priest who was the guardian at the time. He [Hancock] was able to find out that the life expectancy of the Guardian after he was appointed, was relatively short. The man he interviewed was going blind, his eyes were effected strangely, a condition he said was caused by the "Ark".
I wonder if anyone has thought to do a radiation scan from outside of the compound. There is definitely something inside the building, just what, who knows. If it is in fact the actual Ark. perhaps it's good that it stays there.
Other thoughts- The Ark was constructed of wood and covered with gold, and made by man to hold the Covenant. Perhaps it's not the Ark that is held in Aksum, but whatever was inside of it.
Last thought, there are some things we are better off not knowing the truth of.
------------- "Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces". Unknown. |
Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 30-Dec-2013 at 16:11
| What is original name of Ark in ancient scripts? |
Posted By: toyomotor
Date Posted: 30-Dec-2013 at 20:16
As far as I know, it has always been called "The Ark of the Covenant". But I do get sick and tired of people staking American claims to having things of historical significance, without any proof. Posts linking the Ark with The Stone of Destiny and then linking them to Tara, imo are trolling, pure and simple. |
Posted By: toyomotor
Date Posted: 30-Dec-2013 at 20:19
Red Clay: "Last thought, there are some things we are better off not knowing the truth of." That sounds like an American persons view of the CIA. 
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Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 31-Dec-2013 at 00:27
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It sounds like Man in Black answer:Never ask a question which answer you don't want to know!
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Posted By: toyomotor
Date Posted: 31-Dec-2013 at 07:05
OR, never ask a question to which you don't know the answer. 
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Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 31-Dec-2013 at 15:16
I'm sick and tired of American bashing. And fortunately, I decide what's trolling and what isn't. ------------- "Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces". Unknown. |
Posted By: Sidney
Date Posted: 31-Dec-2013 at 18:14
The Stone of Destiny, strictly speaking, is the Lia Fail - the coronation stone for the Kings of Ireland. It apparently still stands on the Hill of Tara in Ireland. The Stone of Scone - the coronation stone for the Kings of Scotland - is a different object, although the Scottish chroniclers would have you believe that the Stone of Scone is the original Lia Fail and was taken to Scotland when it was settled by the ancient Irish. The present stone at Tara is an impostor. The Ark of the Covenant is not a stone but a box. But it is linked to the Stone of Destiny because Medaeval mythologizers identified the Stone with Jacob's Pillar, set up at Bethel in Israel, which was brought by the prophet Jeremiah along with princess Tephi, to Ireland where it became part of the Irish regalia, before it eventually got taken to Scotland and became the Stone of Scone. As a sacred object to the Hebrew nation it is linked to the Ark, although I do not recall if they were ever meant to have been housed together. British Israelites like to believe Jeremiah brought the Ark to Ireland too, but this is not recorded in the chronicles (although they do mention the Stone). |
Posted By: toyomotor
Date Posted: 31-Dec-2013 at 18:57
So, there's obviously no room for others opinions! |
Posted By: Arthur-Robin
Date Posted: 31-Dec-2013 at 19:23
| i don't have strongs concordance to reference due to problems with windows 7/8 and new laptops for last year, but to answer the question since no one else has i think the ark's original name was tebah similar to ethiopian tabot(s) (is that why asked?), and maybe aron. There are a few different words for different arks in hebrew/bible. |
Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 01-Jan-2014 at 11:01
As there are many who make the same claims, without solid proof, why single out Americans? Contrary to the opinions of the Euro Centric folks, North America did not exist in a vacuum until being rediscovered.
It's also been my experience that even when confronted with such proof, it's usually declared a hoax, or just outright ignored by said euro centrists.
It would seem that if a post doesn't conform to your thinking, it's trolling. So who's trying to exclude other opinions?
You could express your ideas in a dozen different ways that wouldn't offend or exclude anyone.
You would do well to remember that Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
------------- "Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces". Unknown. |
Posted By: toyomotor
Date Posted: 01-Jan-2014 at 20:59
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red clay "It would seem that if a post doesn't conform to your thinking, it's trolling. So who's trying to exclude other opinions?"
Not me, read my post again, it was my opinion and I didn't ask anyone to agree with me or to disagree. End. |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 02-Jan-2014 at 21:56
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It seems to me, that the so called "Ark of the covenant" was a "vessel" that was used to transport the sacred stones of Moses, albeit either the original smashed stones/tablets or the replacement ones!!!
It is clear from the Bible (most versions) that the Israelites carried these stones/tablets from place to place and used them for the power endowed from them. But the Bible is shy of the usage of the translated word "ark" in but a very few places, with the Ark of Noah, being the other well used example. One must remember that the Bible recalls the capture of the "Vessel of the Covenant/ stones/ carved stones" by the Philistines at one time, but the tribulations that the Philistines received during their possession of this "Vessel" led them to return them to the Israelites. If any of wish to do some research into those magical stones that are housed in Mecca/Makka today, might well find some similar events? Regards, Ron ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: TheAlaniDragonRising
Date Posted: 03-Jan-2014 at 22:14
Excuse me, toyomotor, isn't citing trolling an attempt to exclude the opinion of others? Btw, in my opinion, such terms as "trolling" being used in the wrong hands tend to end up actually doing that which is being accused. ------------- What a handsome figure of a dragon. No wonder I fall madly in love with the Alani Dragon now, the avatar, it's a gorgeous dragon picture. |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 03-Jan-2014 at 23:33
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TADR, I am mostly confused with the term "trolling", it is hard for one of my great age of 67 years to determine? What is a "troll" today is like trying to control tattoos upon the private parts of a woman's anatomy? smile
Ron ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: toyomotor
Date Posted: 04-Jan-2014 at 19:52
Trolling can also include posting info which is laughably stupid or wrong. But rather than prolong this off topic debate, I withdraw the comment. |
Posted By: Sidney
Date Posted: 04-Jan-2014 at 21:15
Can you give some examples where 'ark' is not used? My Bible mentions the Ark in quite a number of passages. |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 04-Jan-2014 at 21:44
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But Sidney, as far as I remember, those references only concern two specific things, I.e. a boat, and some kind of conveyance carried by hand, for the Ark of the Covenant, etc.!
That is what I meant to convey! Ron ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: Sidney
Date Posted: 05-Jan-2014 at 06:16
| Cheers opuslola. I misunderstood. Your comment implied a purposeful avoidance of the word when we would expect to see it used. But that is not what you meant. |
Posted By: Sidney
Date Posted: 05-Jan-2014 at 12:09
I've read that in the Hebrew scriptures it is 'aron', or 'aron haqqodes' (holy ark). |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2014 at 18:20
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And, can anyone shed any insight into any relationship with the word "aron" and the name "Aaron?"
Some name experts say that the name Aaron means "high mountain; exalted, enlightened" And the Biblical Aaron was the "mouthpiece" of Moses! In modern times a "mouthpiece" means "lawyer!" Smile! So, when Moses smashed the original "Covenant Stones", he was forced to go and get a replacement or replica! So, technically there were two sets of stones, the original and the replicas! Smile! So, perhaps one group gathered up all of the original stones that they could find, and another group endorsed the replacement stones? Did Moses leave his "stones" with his attorney or mouthpiece? Food for thought! Ron ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: toyomotor
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2014 at 19:00
1. The Stone of Destiny, sometimes called the Stone of Scone is NOT Irish and not connected with Tara in Ireland. It has no historical connection to the Ark of the Covenant. We're talking about different parts of the world here, parts that just simply do not connect. 2. Yes, The Ark of The Covenant is said to be a box with particular mountings, such as cherubim at each end etc. Again, no connection with either Scotland or Ireland. I can't let this bastardisation of history go unchecked, it's nonsense!!  ------------- |
Posted By: TheAlaniDragonRising
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2014 at 20:52
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Is there not meant to be a connection between The Stone of Destiny and The Ark of the Covenant in The Book of Tephi? ------------- What a handsome figure of a dragon. No wonder I fall madly in love with the Alani Dragon now, the avatar, it's a gorgeous dragon picture. |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2014 at 21:43
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Toyomotor wrote from the end of the word, these words;
"The Ark of the Covenant is not a stone but a box....' Actually, I would say that most translations of these words end up being expressed in English as a "vessel!" And, indeed the word "vessel" is most oft use to describe a "boat" or a "ship!" Thus in a remarkable turn, a Camel becomes a "... ship of the desert!" I could easily suggest that the tamed Indian Elephants, could also be called a "vessel" or a "ship" since they could carry goods/stones over both land and water! smile So! I just wanted to let you know that you should never ever take things at face value! Does anyone know of "tamed" African Elephants? Probably not, but some historians have suggested there did exist a tamed version of this beast along the S. Med. area! smile So, this idea is to conform to the old Hannibal crosses the Alps and penetrates deep into Italy, via the usage of this now extinct species! Regards, Ron ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: TheAlaniDragonRising
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2014 at 22:47
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opuslola, though you're right that a vessel is used to describe a boat or ship, it is usually accompanied by a significant adjective; sailing. A container would be a more appropriate word for ark, much in the way a blood vessel contains blood. Btw, opuslola, say I doubt the existence of the famed Hannibal of the elephants over the alps legend, can you furnish me even one shred of contemporary evidence of his existence in order to change my mind? ------------- What a handsome figure of a dragon. No wonder I fall madly in love with the Alani Dragon now, the avatar, it's a gorgeous dragon picture. |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2014 at 23:04
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TADR! Do You doubt our contemporary and agreed upon HISTORY?
Well, you know I do so, doubt it! It does remain a problem with the Elephants! That is, there is no Elephant in Africa, extant today, that could have been used by anyone, not excluding Hannibal, that could do it! Thus the supporting sciences seem to have created a possible source, which is a presumably extinct species of the Elephant that did exist at one time in N. Africa! What a load of bull! You may well see it, and so do a lot of others! Not wanting to dig myself into a deeper hole, I remain your friend in historical truth. Ron ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2014 at 23:14
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And! It is funny that the word "container" was mentioned! LOL
Today, modern shipping Vessels carry "containers!" And they are also called "Container Ships!" LOL The world going around in circles! Ron ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: toyomotor
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2014 at 00:41
Ron, you're starting to ramble again! Are you saying that the African Elephant is extinct. ------------- |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2014 at 06:44
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"Ron, you're starting to ramble again! Are you saying that the African Elephant is extinct."
No, just the separate genre that supplied Hannibal, etc.! ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: Sidney
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2014 at 19:53
I agree that there is no historical connection with the Ark of the Covenant. And modern analysis of the Stone of Scone shows it was quarried from a local source. Nevertheless, as I said, Medieval mythologisers (including the Scottish themselves) attributed its origins to Ireland and Israel. The "bastardisation of history" has a very long heritage. |
Posted By: toyomotor
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2014 at 19:59
Sorry if I misinterpreted what you wrote. I tend to get a little annoyed when people twist historical fact in order to meet their agenda, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING. ------------- |