There are three ancient rune stones in Sweden whose inscriptions make absolutely no sense in Swedish but appears to be carved in Turkish in Gokturk alphabet.

Did Gokturks carved their way to Norseland or sent emisseries to them . What do you think?

http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Chaos/4103/futhark.html - http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Chaos/4103/futhark.html http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Chaos/4103/futhark.html -

Complete nonsense. The Kylver Stone has no message, but simply contains the older runic script fuþarkgwhnijpïRstbemlh and the word sueus (Probably the name of the dead)

The Möjbro stone reads frawaradaR ana hahai sl*ginaR which means "Advisor of lords slain on (his) steed"

The Istaby stone reads afatR hariwulafa / haþuwulafR haeruwulafiR warait runaR þaiaR

How old is the oldest rune in Scandinavia?

Wth?? do you mean those letters are Scandinavian alphabet or something? Some of those orkhun scripts are even found in the Netherlands (it whas on tv few years ago) and for the read of what whas scripted on those stones they called Turkish (Uighur) Prof. Kazim Mirsan to read what it was.  

Prof.? This guy is a civil engineer. He also believes that he reads that Turks have founded empires in Central Asia around 10000 BC on cave paintings in Central Asia.

Among other things he claims that he has derived a an equation better than Schroedinger's, thus revolutionising quantum mechanics...

Here you are one Turkish researcher who claims that some runic stones in Europe are written with Turkish runes and Turkish.

http://www.antalyaonline.net/futhark/ - http://www.antalyaonline.net/futhark/

He explained in detail how he read it. But I cannot judge if he can be acceptable or not.

Could those runes be related with Huns or proto-Huns? (asked just for speculation) or just contrary Gokturks may learn this alphabet via Huns. But in both cases it shows a relation between eastern and western barbars.

I dont think Orkhon Alphabet was derived from Sogdian, because they have no symbols or any other things in common. Maybe you mean the Uighur alphabet was derived from Sogdian alphabet, because it was.

Maybe there is. They are indeed quite similar. I think there are two main reasons for this similarity:

1. As Mangudai writes, they are created in a similar way (carved on stone), so they look similar.

2. All alphabets on the planet trace back to a Phoenician-like Semitic alphabet which originated in the Sinai peninsula. There are exceptions like the Chinese writing system, but the Turkic runes are not based on them. Scandinavian runes are older than Turkic ones, because Scandinavia is closer to the original alphabet. But his does not mean that Turkics copied the Germanic runes. AFAIK, there is no similarity between the sounds, just the shapes are similar.  

It seems like there is a relation between Turkic and Hungarian runes. This relation is much more likely than Germanic runes of course.....

http://www.omniglot.com/writing/hungarian_runes.htm - http://www.omniglot.com/writing/hungarian_runes.htm

"Origin

Hungarian runes (Székely Rovásírás) are descended from the http://www.omniglot.com/writing/orkhon.htm - Turkic script (Kök Turki) used in Central Asia. They were used by the Székler Magyars in Hungary before István, the first Christian king of Hungary, ordered all pre-Christian writings to be destroyed. In remote parts of Transylvania however, the runes were still used up until the 1850s."

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/O/Ol/Old_Hungarian_script.htm - http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/O/Ol/Old_Hunga rian_script.htm

http://www.newhungarianvoice.com/News/2003Fall_Runes.asp - http://www.newhungarianvoice.com/News/2003Fall_Runes.asp

I have found this interesting!!!

"There is an old form of Hungarian writing that is presently going through a rebirth in scholarly circles and among code and runic enthusiasts. Rovásírás (from rovás ‘incised’ and írás ‘writing’) predates Hungary’s adoption of the Latin alphabet and is a descendant from the Kök Turki script used in Central Asia.

Rovásírás relics have been found throughout Hungary, Transylvania and to a lesser extent Asia and other parts of Europe but the most famous is a 181kg piece of sandstone found in Nova Scotia, Canada in the 1700s. The 78cm x 70cm x 50cm stone had ancient runes carved into it, of which a portion had been worn down. Although the text was unidentifiable using Scandinavian runes, it was strongly believed that it was a Viking relic left from an expedition of Eric the Red or his son, Leif Ericsson. It wasn’t until 1984 that Silvia Luis, a Hungarian runic writing expert, happened across and deciphered the text - it read: “…son járt e hejen is sok társával” (“…son traveled through this area with many of his companions”). It is widely believed that the worn portion originally read ‘Erics’-son referring to Leif Ericsson. It has been long contended that one of Leif Ericsson’s men, referred to only as ‘Tyrker’, was an Árpádian Magyar. Experts have established that the name Tyrker came from a Byzantine, Arab and European designation of the early Magyars as Tourks – this reference was due to the Kök Turks of Central Asia. An additional theory exists stating that after his expeditions with Ericsson, Tyrker returned to Hungary with maps and knowledge of the ‘new world’."

http://www1.tpgi.com.au/etr/rovas/inf/rovasE.html - http://www1.tpgi.com.au/etr/rovas/inf/rovasE.html

This Hungarian link is also very interesting!!!

Originally posted by Mangudai The Sagas specificly states that Tyrker was a german, not a rune-writing hungarian... Hungarian runes in Nova Scotia? Please, since when have Allempires become a haven for history-forgery and pseudo-science?

Man,

I do not claim something like this, I am importing the knowledge from another source here. In fact I remember some time ego one our Scandinavian forumers has told me about this issue. But I did not realized that Tyrker means Turk in Norwegian and I thought it was due to only chance. Now I learnt that Tyrker=Turk. This is very interesting. But when all of those stuff has been written? In Ottoman times or much earlier?

This is not impossible. There could be a relation between Turks and Scandinavians via north of Black Sea. There may be also relations in times of Khazars. In fact we know very well that Huns and Germans (Gots) were in contact and Huns ruled them.

Consequently Germanic-Turkic relations of thousands years ego can not be accepted as "history-forgery and pseudo-science".  They were facts.

Originally posted by Mangudai The Sagas specificly states that Tyrker was a german, not a rune-writing hungarian... Hungarian runes in Nova Scotia? Please, since when have Allempires become a haven for history-forgery and pseudo-science?

Mangudai

In the sagas....

Is the person actually called tyrker(in old norse) or is tyrker a modern Norwegian translation from old norse and his name is actually something different that can be translated to Tyrker in todays Norwegian?