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Topic: Cornish identity
Posted By: Nick1986
Subject: Cornish identity
Date Posted: 15-Jul-2012 at 19:04
The people of Cornwall are a proud race of miners and sailors who claim kinship with their Welsh neighbors. They have their own origin myth distinct from both the Anglo-Saxons and the Britons claiming descent from Trojan king Brutus. The Cornish believe they are descended from Corineus, an ally of Brutus famous for killing giants that once inhabited the area, including the formidible Gogmagog:
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=a9g9AAAAcAAJ&dq=geoffrey%20monmouth%20corineus&pg=PA23#v=onepage&q&f=false - http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=a9g9AAAAcAAJ&dq=geoffrey%20monmouth%20corineus&pg=PA23#v=onepage&q&f=false


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Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 16-Jul-2012 at 01:59
Their history is an old one that my old friend Strabo talked about. And later in the ASC. Been to Britain two different times and to my everlasting shame missed Cornwall. I always enjoyed reading of the Paynter rebellion of 15...where he ultimately walks because he could claim his right as a local tin miner to a trial by his peers...other tin miners. He was acquitted. Ya got to love that.
 
 


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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 16-Jul-2012 at 19:08
The Cornish were traditionally very conservative and never fully assimilated during the Tudor regime, deeming themselves an older, separate people from the English. They rose up when Edward VI sent commissioners in 1549 to reform the church and fought against Parliament during the Civil War

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Posted By: Sidney
Date Posted: 17-Jul-2012 at 12:08
Cornish Nationalism still goes on.
%20 - http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/man-died-Cornish/story-16493639-detail/story.html


Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 17-Jul-2012 at 19:41
That's interesting Sid. For centuries they have considered themselves a "fourth kingdom" distinct from their neighbors England, Scotland and Wales, hence their dislike of outside interference

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Posted By: TheAlaniDragonRising
Date Posted: 17-Jul-2012 at 20:45
Originally posted by Nick1986

That's interesting Sid. For centuries they have considered themselves a "fourth kingdom" distinct from their neighbors England, Scotland and Wales, hence their dislike of outside interference
That and the trade in smuggled goods which the area was famed for.

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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 02-Aug-2012 at 20:11
Even the priests actively resisted Edward. One was hung, drawn and quartered for stabbing a commissioner tasked with demolishing religious-images

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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 29-Aug-2012 at 19:15

Cornish pasty anyone? These pastries, originally intended for miners, were loved by everyone, including the king, as they stayed warm for hours and the thick crust prevented dirty hands from contaminating the meat


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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 31-Jan-2013 at 20:00
DNA testing seems to verify the Cornishmens' claims to be descended from the ancient Britons:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2160853/For-truest-Brits-west-Welsh-Cornish-ancient-Britons-DNA-analysis-finds.html - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2160853/For-truest-Brits-west-Welsh-Cornish-ancient-Britons-DNA-analysis-finds.html


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Posted By: Vinyk
Date Posted: 24-Jan-2017 at 15:21
Dig deeper: at times of Tudorian regime, the nobles of Cornishes were mostly "sent with Jews",  thus dispersed all over Europe. Many were persecuted "together with Jews", are "historically aware" when at present are taken as hostages.
The Attic roots of "Cornwall Guard" were not so to Troja, but to lost lands of Mediterranea: an Ancient tectonic disaster ruined their homes, so Cornishes' ancestors, during centuries, traveled to North(at Late Attic times, occasionally accompanied Roman legions at fortification jobs).
The "sent with Jews" branch of Cornishes was specialized at mastering bags and sacks, hydrometallurgy and aerial metallurgy(modern: galvanochemistry, metal cementation and proof sorbtion).
The Cornish identity was preserved "among the Jews", their flag-emblem is a rust-strengthened scroll spade(re-revealed during WWII), Guild-guaranteed tools of Cornish diasporae are: neddle for construction sews(strongest sews at bag embriodery and cloth carcassing), thermochemical press(for restoring worn and grind-damaged metal structure), scroll spade(best for underground rift works and ground/ruin emergency -- common usual tool for Movement of Resistance at Eastern Europe, during WWII and post-WWII period).
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Posted By: Pickled Polly
Date Posted: 16-Feb-2017 at 14:57
Ancient Cornish history is something we never see much about.

I'd love to read more about the origins of the Cornish, be it Pict, Celtic or whatever.





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