did the city of troy really exist?
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Topic: did the city of troy really exist?
Posted By: Guests
Subject: did the city of troy really exist?
Date Posted: 30-Apr-2005 at 16:25
| just watched new film of troy with brad pitt...etc........i know troy supposedly was somewhere on what we now know to be part of turkey....i play rome total war a lot.........what do other people think? |
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Posted By: Cassivellaunus
Date Posted: 30-Apr-2005 at 22:02
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It is already a known fact that Troy existed (archaeologists indeed located the ruins in the north-west of Turkey). http://www.allaboutturkey.com/troy.htm - http://www.allaboutturkey.com/troy.htm However, whether or not Brad Pitt conquered it remains to be proven... ------------- "Why do you cower in your trenches, men? They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!" - Last words of General John Sedgewick |
Posted By: Capt. Lubber
Date Posted: 01-May-2005 at 03:07
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Yes, and there were several troys built on top of each other. On the whole there were about 9 of them. number 7 is the one most likely to have been "the" troy ------------- Loke, Attila, the grete conqueror, Deyde in his sleep, with shame and dishonour, Bleedinge ay at the nose in dronkenesse, A captayin shoulde live in sobrenesse |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 01-May-2005 at 12:30
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Yes, Troy most certainly existed http://www.iit.edu/~agunsal/truva/truva/truva.html - http://www.iit.edu/~agunsal/truva/truva/truva.html |
Posted By: aknc
Date Posted: 01-May-2005 at 14:09
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I thought it was the first one ------------- "I am the scourage of god appointed to chastise you,since no one knows the remedy for your iniquity exept me.You are wicked,but I am more wicked than you,so be silent!" |
Posted By: aknc
Date Posted: 01-May-2005 at 14:13
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Funny story about troy.The guy that found troy had the objective his whole life.Then he came to turkey and there was a hill,called hisarlk(the place of castles)and he began to dig.... ------------- "I am the scourage of god appointed to chastise you,since no one knows the remedy for your iniquity exept me.You are wicked,but I am more wicked than you,so be silent!" |
Posted By: Perseas
Date Posted: 01-May-2005 at 15:49
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Troy 7 indeed seemed to to Archaeologists that it was destroyed by humans but as the reports were saying also, it didnt match Homer's Descriptions. Some say it was Troy 6 but there were many indications that Troy 6 was destroyed by earthquake. Looks like we are gonna have to wait to be certain which one was the one Homer described. |
Posted By: Serge L
Date Posted: 02-May-2005 at 07:10
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Scliemann was a very stubbon person. Do you know how he learnt the many languages he knew? He just took a book in that certain language he did not know at all but wanted to learn, a dictionary and possibly a grammar, and started to translate the book word by word, sentence by sentence, with great patience and will. |
Posted By: Styrbiorn
Date Posted: 02-May-2005 at 11:19
Well, "Illion"/whatever the town's called as Troy is only a theory (though the most widely accepted one), so it is possible none of the towns buried on Hisarlik hill is the Troy of Homeros. |
Posted By: Mosquito
Date Posted: 02-May-2005 at 12:43
| Aye, the fact that someone found some ruins and some golden treasures doesnt mean that it was Troy from Homer's tale. |
Posted By: aknc
Date Posted: 02-May-2005 at 15:28
yes aelous you are extremely correct.Truy six was destroyed by earthquake and matches homer's description.The trojan horse comes from that,the god that causes earthquakes in their myth(dunno wich one)sometimes took the shape of a horse.So when the gares were battered by the earthquake,they lefta wooden horse statue to show their gratefullness ------------- "I am the scourage of god appointed to chastise you,since no one knows the remedy for your iniquity exept me.You are wicked,but I am more wicked than you,so be silent!" |
Posted By: Phallanx
Date Posted: 02-May-2005 at 16:29
Poseidon ------------- To the gods we mortals are all ignorant.Those old traditions from our ancestors, the ones we've had as long as time itself, no argument will ever overthrow, in spite of subtleties sharp minds invent. |
Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 03-May-2005 at 07:00
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They found a Hittite city and called it Troy. No evidence has ever been found to back the claim. Also a couple of other cities down the coast have as good claim, the geography being much closer to what Homer describes. I wonder if in a thousand years times Archaeologists will be searching for the remains of The Shire? ------------- Light blue touch paper and stand well back http://www.maquahuitl.co.uk - http://www.maquahuitl.co.uk http://www.toltecitztli.co.uk - http://www.toltecitztli.co.uk |
Posted By: aknc
Date Posted: 03-May-2005 at 09:29
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thanks man ------------- "I am the scourage of god appointed to chastise you,since no one knows the remedy for your iniquity exept me.You are wicked,but I am more wicked than you,so be silent!" |
Posted By: aknc
Date Posted: 03-May-2005 at 09:30
the shire? ------------- "I am the scourage of god appointed to chastise you,since no one knows the remedy for your iniquity exept me.You are wicked,but I am more wicked than you,so be silent!" |
Posted By: Tiamatty
Date Posted: 26-May-2005 at 08:04
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy - Wikipedia It did exist, it was near the entrance to the Hellespont. There is reason to believe Troy VII to be the most likely candidate. ------------- http://www.fair.org/index.php - Fairness & Accuracy In Reporting - FAIR.org http://www.commondreams.org/ - CommonDream.org |
Posted By: King_Cyrus
Date Posted: 17-Sep-2005 at 14:44
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Troy probly did exist, but Homer likes to romaticize tales. It seems one of the Troys was destroyed by a Earth quake and a latter one was destroyed by eiter the Hittites or the Greek people known as the "Sea People". Or it may have bin a Greek army who destroyed it but it wasnt for Helen it was most likly for control of the port which the Trojens got extremly weathy from by taxing ships that traveled trough the area. |
Posted By: Constantine XI
Date Posted: 18-Sep-2005 at 21:45
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Of course it existed, archaeological evidence exists to prove that. It was positioned in an econmically important area and was a viable place of settlement. It continued to be inhabited up to the 1st century AD when it appears to have been abandoned, having suffered from a series of earthquakes over its long history. ------------- |
Posted By: Onkel_Wowa
Date Posted: 19-Sep-2005 at 18:46
| Why Troy was looked for in Turkey? May be, because Great Britain needed good maps of the area for future WW1? |
Posted By: Lannes
Date Posted: 19-Sep-2005 at 22:06
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Moved to Greece/Med. ------------- τρέφεται δέ, ὤ Σώκρατης, ψυχὴ τίνι; |
Posted By: Yiannis
Date Posted: 20-Sep-2005 at 03:11
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Because Homer described it as being close to the Hellespont, (Dardanelles) and gave more descriptions on its whereabouts. More ancient historians gave directions to the tomb of Achilles, near by and people (like Alexander the great) would go to offer sacrifices. Later on, after the decline of the Greek world, this knowledge was lost and the location of Troy was (temporarily) lost. But everyone knew, because of the ancient writers' accounts that it was located in modern-day Turkey. ------------- The basis of a democratic state is liberty. Aristotle, Politics Those that can give up essential liberty to obtain a temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 22-Sep-2005 at 23:21
| lol u all say like homer was the one that wrote the illiad and odessy. there is a lot of evidence that says he didnt. for instance the illiad is filled with different writing styles than the odessy. also the odessy makes reference to iron weapons whereas the illiad did not |
Posted By: Yiannis
Date Posted: 23-Sep-2005 at 03:10
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There're many theories about the existence on not of Homer, even the possibility that there were many "Homers" and that it was not really a name but a profession, that of the storyteller. But that was not our topic in this thread. However if you feel like elaborating, please go ahead!
------------- The basis of a democratic state is liberty. Aristotle, Politics Those that can give up essential liberty to obtain a temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin |
Posted By: heba deba
Date Posted: 26-Sep-2005 at 06:34
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*edited by Yiannis - WARNING: next similar post and you'll be banned (not even sure that you care, but anyway...)* ------------- |