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Please help translating an inscription

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Topic: Please help translating an inscription
Posted By: Drug
Subject: Please help translating an inscription
Date Posted: 12-Jun-2012 at 13:52
Hi, I am not sure if this is the right place to ask, but anyway... I have recently found this old ring, which has an inscription on it. I am not sure what the language is, probably Turkish. Please help me translate it)



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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 12-Jun-2012 at 14:03
Where are you from Drug?

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Posted By: Sidney
Date Posted: 12-Jun-2012 at 14:36
Looks like a seal ring. You need to press it into some soft material (hot wax, clay etc) and then read the impression. At the moment the inscription is backwards.


Posted By: Arab
Date Posted: 12-Jun-2012 at 14:43
Looks like it might say "La Ilaha Illallah" or "There is no god but God".

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Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 12-Jun-2012 at 15:19

The image should be flipped horizontally:

I can read the name of Ali (علی) at the middle top and it seems to be the name of Hossein (حسین) at the bottom.



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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 12-Jun-2012 at 19:56
The name of the owner, perhaps? Drug, do you know of any famous historical people called Ali Hossein who lived in your area?

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Posted By: Drug
Date Posted: 13-Jun-2012 at 12:17
Hi, thanks for your answers. I am from Moldova.
I will try to press it on to paper with ink and post an image.
Ali Hossein, no I have never heard of him.


Posted By: Drug
Date Posted: 13-Jun-2012 at 18:14
Here is the print I made. Not sure if this is the right side to read it. Anyway the ring was found in an area that used to belong to a Khan. There was probably a battle there judging by the remaining arrows. The poor person probably had lost his fingers during battle. 


Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 13-Jun-2012 at 19:25
Moldova was under Ottoman rule from 1538-1812 and was in regular conflict with the Turks and Tatars during the Middle Ages. Perhaps the ring belonged to an Ottoman official as Ali is a popular Muslim name?

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Posted By: Baal Melqart
Date Posted: 13-Jun-2012 at 20:56
Man the other words written are not clear at all, very tough to read especially since it might have Turkish components (names).

The first from the right looks like Yokali  يوكلي or Bokali بوكلي , not very clear to be honest. The problem is that doesn't mean anything in Arabic so perhaps it means something in Turkish.

After Ali, it looks like it reads Qalim قالم but again what does that mean? Is i a name?

Yokali Ali Qalim Hussein?


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Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 14-Jun-2012 at 06:46
The upper text is "Tawakali 'ala khaleqi" (توكلي علي خالقي) which means "I trust my creator", similar to this Ottoman seal:
 
توكلي علي خالقي عبده عثمان "I trust my creator whose servant is Ottoman"


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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 14-Jun-2012 at 19:29
Maybe the decoration of the ring can provide some clues as to when it was made?

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