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Topic: Ethiopian embassy to the Council of Florence (1441
Posted By: Aury
Subject: Ethiopian embassy to the Council of Florence (1441
Date Posted: 11-Apr-2012 at 15:56
Dear all, the information I found at the moment by internet, talking about that Embassy (sent by Emp.Zara Yaqob) composed of Coptian Monks and one person from italian origin.
What I would like to find are: ancient ethiopian pictures showing that episode and article or books on line about the italian person surnamed Pietro Rombulo.
May be that Pietro were very closelly to Zara Emperor. Do you know any detailed story about that? He lived for 37 years in Ethiopia, so I think would like exist something that can help me in my studies.

Can you help me?

Thank you very much to all!

Aury



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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 11-Apr-2012 at 19:30
Medieval Europeans held the Ethiopians in high esteem for remaining Christian. They were convinced emperor Zara Yakob was the legendary "Prester John" who ruled a lost land surrounded by pagans

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Posted By: Aury
Date Posted: 12-Apr-2012 at 12:51
Right! Now please do you have any information about the Embassy in Rome with Pietro Rombulo?


Posted By: Don Quixote
Date Posted: 12-Apr-2012 at 13:43
There is an article on it in the Encyclopaedia Ethiopica here  http://books.google.com/books?id=l4WUdKWGcYsC&pg=PA237&lpg=PA237&dq=pietro+rombulo+ethiopian+embassy&source=bl&ots=palnQoWATO&sig=TAEPDxVn7rW7yraX_WGuyfqwyJM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=yQ6HT4_mHOHciAKIlekC&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=pietro%20rombulo%20ethiopian%20embassy&f=false - http://books.google.com/books?id=l4WUdKWGcYsC&pg=PA237&lpg=PA237&dq=pietro+rombulo+ethiopian+embassy&source=bl&ots=palnQoWATO&sig=TAEPDxVn7rW7yraX_WGuyfqwyJM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=yQ6HT4_mHOHciAKIlekC&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=pietro%20rombulo%20ethiopian%20embassy&f=false

This is from "Ethiopian Itineraries, Circa 1400 - 1524", 1955, I access it on Questia:
"...In 1407 there arrived in Ethiopia a young man called Pietro Rombulo; he remained there for 37 years and then went to India and China on a mission sent by the emperor, returning after it to Ethiopia. http://www.questia.com/reader/action/gotoDocId/13574691#3 - 3 In 1450 he was back in Naples, now a grey-haired man in his sixties; while there he met Pietro Ranzano, a Dominican monk born at Palermo in 1428, who compiled a vast and still unpublished -- probably unpublishable -- Latin work entitled Annales, preserved in the Biblioteca Comunale at Palermo. It is to Ranzano that we are indebted for our knowledge of Rombulo and his travels, for the book or notes he wrote have not survived. Ranzano met him at Naples in 1450 and saw the book, which was full of all the wonders of the East. Some of these he copied out, particularly the parts about Egypt, Ethiopia and the journey to India, and embodied in his own book. This was an ambitious attempt to describe the whole of the known world, and it suffered the fate of others of its kind. The author, overwhelmed by his vast mass of notes, was often led astray by digressions, with the result that he lost, and never recovered, the thread of his narrative. He was, moreover, obsessed by a medieval conception of the East inherited from classical and Alexandrian times. He made a vain attempt to reconcile the geography of Ptolemy and the statements derived from classical writers and the Bible with the facts observed and reported by contemporary travellers, priority being given to the former. During the Middle Ages this heritage of the past had come to be embroidered by the fancy of stay-athome monks and others with fantastic tales of monsters and fabulous creatures, and with visions of the wealth and power and culture of distant lands and potentates, some of whom were barbarians or savages, or non-existent. This attitude contaminated both the stories of the travellers and the narratives of those who, like Ranzano, attempted to weave them into a consistent story. Ranzano, says Trasselli, had a firm belief in Ptolemy, and regarded Rombulo's geographical discoveries merely as curiosities and no more. Ranzano himself, a bishop and a counsellor of popes and also an ardent admirer of classical antiquity, belonged rather to the authoritarian régime of the Middle Ages then passing away than to the new world of scientific discovery which was just opening up. His mentality, says Trasselli, constitutes a grave loss for historical geography.

Ranzano describes his meeting at Naples with Rombulo who had come there as ambassador from Zar'a Yakob, the emperor of Ethiopia, to Alfonso the Magnanimous, king of Aragon, Sicily, Sardinia and Naples. Expecting to encounter a man of dark colour speaking a barbaric language he had brought an interpreter. But to his surprise he saw a man whose complexion

was no darker than an Egyptian's and who looked quite unlike an Ethiopian. He seemed, moreover, to be quite a civilized person, tall, bearded, and well dressed in the Italian style. Ranzano spoke at first to him through the interpreter, but Rombulo replied that this was unnecessary as he spoke Italian.

Ranzano's version of Rombulo's account of Ethiopia contains both facts and fancy, and it must be remembered that he used other sources as well. The ruler of the land was that Prester John who was then commonly believed to be a king of India; he was a Christian and his rule extended also over Mahomedans and pagans. The country was divided into twelve kingdoms, each subdivided into principalities, paying tribute and assisting the emperor in his wars with Egypt and the Arabs. So far the facts; the fancies then take charge and describe his vast armies and his elephants, and his rich jewels. Arabic mixed with 'Egyptian' was spoken in the region between Aswan and Meroe, and Arabic only on the Red Sea coast; between Meroe and Somaliland ('cinnamomipheram regionem') there was another language. Then comes an account of the natural features, plants and animals of Ethiopia, and of the dwellings and mode of life of its inhabitants. Then there is a long section on the route followed from Alexandria into Ethiopia which in its latter part agrees very closely, as Trasselli shows, with our Iter F. It proceeds up the Nile from Cairo, and thence across the desert to Aidap, Suakin and Addan, which last point is the limit of the Sultan of Egypt's domains. Thence it goes by Mons Moria (where Ethiopia begins), Gianges (an Ethiopian frontier fort), Tuccaica (in a very fair region), Udeb, Aptisment, Torat, and so to Caxum (Axum).

Then comes a geographical farrago which I suspect to be largely Ranzano's own contribution, derived from written sources. We are told of a western kingdom of Achi (capital Ubet) where they live in tents; to it belongs the island of Meroe, called now Mara by the Ethiopians. On the other (west) bank of the Nile live the Nubei, 'magna plane natio, et

aliquando Christi cultrix, ut ante dictum est'. To the east of this is another kingdom called Baccho on the Astapus (now called Oastia), a tributary of the Nile, whose capital is Seccher. The third kingdom is Duarum with capital Sabboch. The fourth is called Mago with capital Sciava; there the king lives during the summer, to get away from the excessive heat. Round Mago flows a great river whose source is in Mons Lunae where the Nile rises.

Though there are differences there are also some names in this list which also occur in our Iter F; it will be convenient to give Ranzano's in tabular form:

KINGDOM IDENTIFICATION CAPITAL IDENTIFICATION
Achi Lake Haik Ubet --
Baccho -- Seccher --
Duarum Dawaro Sabboch --
Mago -- Sciava Shoa
Vehte -- Nize --
Darubie Dembia? Furfura --
Gorgiar Gojam Ganimel --
Hueleghe (on R. Walaqa) Anguda Angot
Gud -- Siene Aswan
Seravj Serave Inghera --
Damor Damot Aptisment Between Adua and



Asmara
Mer -- Tucaica Between Adua and



Asmara

There can be little doubt that Rombulo had nothing to do with this compilation of mis-spelt and misapplied names. Ptolemy's influence appears in the Astapus, Mons Lunae, Meroe and Siene, 'per quani astrologi produsweetie medium climatis secundi'. The names do not occur on the extant maps of the fourteenth or fifteenth centuries, nor on the other hand do some of the names regularly appearing on those maps (such as Dobaa and Sobaha) appear in Ranzano's lists. Nor have they anything in common with the strange names in the Book of Knowledge, or those of Idrisi.

Trasselli concludes his excellent article by stating that Rombulo was one of the first Europeans whose motive for travel was neither religious nor commercial, but just curiosity.

The first European embassy to reach Ethiopia was that -- if such it was -- sent there by the Duke of Berry; it consisted of a Neapolitan called Pietro, a Frenchman and a Spaniard. Bertrandon de la Brocquièee met Pietro in Pera in 1432. Pietro told him that he had married an Ethiopian in the land of Prestre Jehan. He went to Alexandria and thence by Cairo 15 days' journey up the Nile, thence across the desert to the Red Sea and on by sea. Prestre Jehan, he reported, was a good Catholic; he was continually at war with a great lord near his country to the east called Chinemachin, 'and we call him "le Grant Can". He has round his land twelve great lords who pay him tribute annually in slaves and gold.' http://www.questia.com/reader/action/next/13574694#1 - 1 The rest of his account of Ethiopia is mainly fabulous; Pietro's two companions, he said, had died in 1430, and were therefore no longer available. But part of the story may well be true. It was 15 days' journey up the Nile to the starting-point of the desert crossing to the Red Sea ports, and the route described was the usual one to be followed by the Ethiopian patriarchs. The emperors were continuously at war; the enemy was the Mohamedan kingdom of Adel, which was often confused with Indiay and the Asiatic countries, as Iter F shows. The confusion dates back to classical times. http://www.questia.com/reader/action/next/13574694#2 - 2 ..." pgs. 6-9. Most lamentably I cannot give a link to it because it against the rules of Questia /it's accessible with a subscription/.

This is from the "Nile Histories, cultures, Myths",edited by Haggai Erlich and Israel Gershoni, 2000, again from Questia:
"...It is not clear whether Pietro from Naples, whose personal description of Ethiopia and the Nile was recorded by a French traveler at Pera in 1432, is to be identified with Pietro Rombulo. See La Broquière, Le Voyage d'Outremer, pp. 142–148; and Trasselli, “Un Italiano in Etiopia nel XV secolo, ” pp. 173–202....", pg. 117



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Posted By: Don Quixote
Date Posted: 12-Apr-2012 at 14:37
This book "The Image of the Black in Western Art" has a paragraph about Rambulo in the beginning of the page, I cannot copy, so I'm posting the link: http://books.google.com/books?id=EgwWNhT5R64C&pg=PA151&lpg=PA151&dq=pietro+rombulo+ethiopian+embassy+to+rome&source=bl&ots=8BTHM2UOWP&sig=xqOmhIyFt6HXjwbG2JTKvVY3P2s&hl=en&sa=X&ei=9BmHT7WRGu_biALAn9zDDA&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=pietro%20rombulo%20ethiopian%20embassy%20to%20rome&f=false - http://books.google.com/books?id=EgwWNhT5R64C&pg=PA151&lpg=PA151&dq=pietro+rombulo+ethiopian+embassy+to+rome&source=bl&ots=8BTHM2UOWP&sig=xqOmhIyFt6HXjwbG2JTKvVY3P2s&hl=en&sa=X&ei=9BmHT7WRGu_biALAn9zDDA&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=pietro%20rombulo%20ethiopian%20embassy%20to%20rome&f=false




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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 12-Apr-2012 at 19:21
Layers of Time: A history of Ethiopia
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ySgCTIplVQ8C&lpg=PA70&dq=pietro%20rombulo&pg=PA70#v=onepage&q&f=false - http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ySgCTIplVQ8C&lpg=PA70&dq=pietro%20rombulo&pg=PA70#v=onepage&q&f=false


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Posted By: Aury
Date Posted: 13-Apr-2012 at 09:41
Don, good and fantastic work! From your post I read further info about Rombulo. So, you think it's possibile to find ancient ethiopian picture that identify Pietro Rombulo? Or ancient books...Or documents that describes the court of Zara...Because if he was so closelly to Zara Jacob may be exist figures, frescos or anythink else. What do you think about? Thanks for your help!


Posted By: Aury
Date Posted: 13-Apr-2012 at 09:43
Hi Nick, thanks for your track...Can you continue in your search in order to help me?
Smile


Posted By: Aury
Date Posted: 13-Apr-2012 at 09:44
Originally posted by Nick1986

Layers of Time: A history of Ethiopia
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ySgCTIplVQ8C&lpg=PA70&dq=pietro%20rombulo&pg=PA70#v=onepage&q&f=false - http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ySgCTIplVQ8C&lpg=PA70&dq=pietro%20rombulo&pg=PA70#v=onepage&q&f=false


Thanks...I already had this track...Smile Continue please?


Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 13-Apr-2012 at 20:32
Prester John: Fiction and history
http://faculty.biu.ac.il/%7Ebarilm/presjohn.html - http://faculty.biu.ac.il/~barilm/presjohn.html


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Posted By: Aury
Date Posted: 14-Apr-2012 at 04:38
Thanks Nick! In your post I'ave got other important information about Prester Jhon in connection to Italy. It seems a neverending story about this person. Please continue in your searching to help me? :)


Posted By: Don Quixote
Date Posted: 14-Apr-2012 at 15:18
Originally posted by Aury

Don, good and fantastic work! From your post I read further info about Rombulo. So, you think it's possibile to find ancient ethiopian picture that identify Pietro Rombulo? Or ancient books...Or documents that describes the court of Zara...Because if he was so closelly to Zara Jacob may be exist figures, frescos or anythink else. What do you think about? Thanks for your help!

Thanks, AurySmile.
So far I cannot find a picture, I found a "Chronicle of the Emperor Zara Jacob" posted here http://tezetaethiopia.wordpress.com/2005/06/01/the-chronicle-of-the-emperor-zara-yaqob-1434-1468/ - http://tezetaethiopia.wordpress.com/2005/06/01/the-chronicle-of-the-emperor-zara-yaqob-1434-1468/   .
On Questia I found "The realm of Prester John", by Robert Silverberg, 1972, with those remarks about Rombulo and the embassy:
"...A young Italian traveler, Pietro Rombulo, arrived in Ethiopa in 1407; his motive for making the journey appears to have been neither commercial nor religious, but one of curiosity alone. He settled there and enrolled in the service of King Yeshak ( 1414-29), whom he persuaded to seek an alliance with a European prince against Islam. In .1428, King Alfonso the Magnanimous of Aragon received two Ethiopian ambassadors at his court in Valencia, bearing a letter from Yeshak in which the Ethiopian monarch proposed not merely an alliance but a double royal marriage, with Alfonso's son to marry an Ethiopian princess. Alfonso sidestepped the marriage proposal, but he did send thirteen of his subjects to Ethiopia, including some artisans whom Yeshak had requested to decorate one of his palaces. All, however, perished en mute. .."pg. 179

"...On the basis of what Abbot Nicodemus told him about Pope Eugenius and his ecumenical scheme, King Zar'a Yakob ordered the abbot to nominate two monks from the Ethiopian monastery at Jerusalem as delegates to the Council of Florence. The Ethiopian delegates sailed to Rhodes in October 1440, waiting there with Fra Alberto until the arrival of a Coptic delegation the following spring. In August 1441 the party of. Italian friars, Egyptians, and Ethiopians reached Florence, and on September 2 the Ethiopians addressed the ecumenical conference. Later that year Zar'a Yakob's envoys signed a decree formally acknowledging the submission of the Coptic Church (including its Ethiopian branch) to the Church of Rome. But this agreement, so laboriously arrived at, went the way of the one two years earlier that had united the Greek and Roman churches: the Ethiopians, like the Byzantines, simply paid no attention to it, the Pope and his whole Church being as remote to them as the valleys of the moon, and the priests of Prester John's land continued to practice their rites heedless of the doctrines promulgated in Rome.

In 1450 another ambassador from Zara Yakob came to Europe. The only surviving account of his visit is the work of a Dominican monk named Pietro Ranzano, who encountered the Ethiopian emissary in Naples. Fra Pietro had expected to meet a dark-skinned man who spoke a strange language, and so he brought with him an interpreter. He was surprised to find that the "Ethiopian" was quite European in complexion and dressed in Italian style. The monk addressed him through the interpreter, but the envoy replied that that was unnecessary, for he spoke Italian. He was, indeed, Pietro Rombulo, who had gone to Ethiopia in 1407. After residing there for thirty-seven years, Rombulo said, he had been sent on diplomatic missions to India and China by Zar'a Yakob, and now had come to Europe to revive a project

that had miscarried in 1428--an alliance between Ethiopia and King Alfonso the Magnanimous of Aragon. Rombulo had brought with him a manuscript about his travels, which has not survived to our time except in the form of the extracts taken from it by Fra Pietro for a book of his own. Unfortunately, Fra Pietro mixed into Rombulo's factual account a number of current geographical fantasies drawn from less trustworthy sources, so what might have been the first reliable firsthand description by a European of Prester John's court became badly diluted by imaginary wonders. Fra Pietro says that Prester John is a Christian but that many of his subjects are Moslems or pagans, which was the case; and the information given on Ethiopian geography and natural history is accurate. However, the depiction of Prester John's vast army, his elephants and his jewels, could not have come from anything Rombulo had said, and the details of the African kingdoms west and south of Ethiopia bear no resemblance to those in any other contemporary account.

Rombulo, accompanied by an Ethiopian envoy known as Fra Michele, went on to have an audience with Alfonso of Aragon, who had transferred his court from Spain to Naples. Ibis energetic and intelligent prince remembered the exchange of letters he had had with King Yeshak of Ethiopia twenty-two years before, and at Rombulo's urging now sent a new message to Zar'a Yakob, offering to open diplomatic relations and expressing a willingness to send artisans to the Ethiopian court--provided Zar'a Yakob could guarantee their safe arrival, Alfonso added, recalling the death of the thirteen craftsmen he had dispatched to Ethiopia in 147.8.Again, nothing came of this endeavor...." pgs. 187-88.

I'll continue to dig around and if I come up with something I'll post it.




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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 14-Apr-2012 at 21:13
If you have access to JStor, there's a good article by Richard Pankhurst about early Italian-Ethiopian contact:
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/40761022?uid=3738032&uid=2&uid=4&sid=47698878378087 - http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/40761022?uid=3738032&uid=2&uid=4&sid=47698878378087


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Posted By: Aury
Date Posted: 15-Apr-2012 at 05:42
Originally posted by Nick1986

If you have access to JStor, there's a good article by Richard Pankhurst about early Italian-Ethiopian contact:
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/40761022?uid=3738032&uid=2&uid=4&sid=47698878378087 - http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/40761022?uid=3738032&uid=2&uid=4&sid=47698878378087


I can read the firs page only...unfortunatly, but i've got other new info! Clap


Posted By: Aury
Date Posted: 15-Apr-2012 at 05:50
Thanks Don, The Chronicle were in my possess but not developed from Pankrust, so what you posted help me in addition to my modest consideration. Also, if Pankrust dedicated some time in translating and studying it means that it's a credible piece of originary history!

Waiting further and interesting and precious news from you abour Rombulo.Smile


Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 15-Apr-2012 at 21:09
Something i found on google scholar concerning the meditations of Zara Yaquob:
http://redsea1.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=950053 - http://redsea1.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=950053


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Posted By: Aury
Date Posted: 16-Apr-2012 at 15:31
Originally posted by Nick1986

Something i found on google scholar concerning the meditations of Zara Yaquob:
http://redsea1.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=950053 - http://redsea1.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=950053


Thanks Nick! Indeed Zara was also a philosofer...Anything else about Pietro Rombulo? Wink


Posted By: Don Quixote
Date Posted: 18-Apr-2012 at 01:53
Aury, have you read this book  http://www.worldcat.org/title/italiano-in-etiopia-nel-xv-secolo-pietro-rombulo-da-messina/oclc/495353744 - http://www.worldcat.org/title/italiano-in-etiopia-nel-xv-secolo-pietro-rombulo-da-messina/oclc/495353744 it's in Italian. I canno't find anything else on Rombulo, I'll keep an eye on it and if I find something I'll post it ASAP.

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Posted By: Don Quixote
Date Posted: 18-Apr-2012 at 02:07
I found this quote, from "An Introduction to the Economic History of Ethiopia, from Early Times to 1800", by Richard Pankhurst, 1961, in Questia, pg. 70. It doesn't say antything new except that those events weren't recorded in Ethiopian chronicles.
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During the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries contact between Ethiopians and the Christians of Europe steadily increased. In 1321 a certain Brother Jordanus was told by Italian merchants in India that 'the way into Ethiopia was open' and toward the end of the century a Florentine, Antonio Bartoli, actually reached the country. Not long afterwards in 1407 a young Italian, Pietro Rombulo, visited Ethiopia and was subsequently sent by the Emperor on a mission to India and China. Many years later in 1450 he told his adventures to Pietro Ranzano, a Dominican monk in Naples who recorded much of what he heard in an unpublished Latin work entitled Annales, which is preserved in the Biblioteca Comunale at Palermo, Sicily. Rombulo was closely followed by an embassy, sent by the French Duc de Berry, consisting of a Neapolitan called Pietro, a Frenchman and a Spaniard. Bernard de la Brocquière, who met Pietro in 1432, records that he had married an Ethiopian in the land of Prester John. http://www.questia.com/reader/action/gotoDocId/9225923#182 - 182

Faced by the increasing pressure of Islam and determined to maintain the faith of their fathers, the Christian sovereigns of Ethiopia continued their efforts to maintain relations with the rest of Christendom. The Emperor Zara Yaqob ( Constantine I, 1434- 1468), insisted that Saturday, the ancient Biblical sabbath, should be observed as well as Sunday and authorized Nicodemus, the superior of the Ethiopian community at Jerusalem, to enter into negotiations with the Roman See. Two Ethiopian delegates from Jerusalem therefore attended the ecclesiastical Council of Florence. Though this conference ostensibly reached an agreement it was repudiated when the delegates returned to their mother churches. There is no mention of these events in the Ethiopian chronicles, though it is known that at about this time there was much theological disputation, apparently with a enetian artist, Nicolo Brancaleone, who settled in Ethiopia. http://www.questia.com/reader/action/gotoDocId/9225923#183 - 183 Ethiopian ecclesiastics continued, however, to visit Jerusalem, where a large Ethiopian community resided, and Rome, where they were granted an establishment during Zara Yaqob's reign. http://www.questia.com/reader/action/gotoDocId/9225923#184 - 184..."

http://www.questia.com/reader/action/gotoDocId/9225923#184 -



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Posted By: Aury
Date Posted: 18-Apr-2012 at 04:28
Originally posted by Don Quixote

Aury, have you read this book  http://www.worldcat.org/title/italiano-in-etiopia-nel-xv-secolo-pietro-rombulo-da-messina/oclc/495353744 - http://www.worldcat.org/title/italiano-in-etiopia-nel-xv-secolo-pietro-rombulo-da-messina/oclc/495353744 it's in Italian. I canno't find anything else on Rombulo, I'll keep an eye on it and if I find something I'll post it ASAP.


Yes I read it. What I would like to do is to improve Trasselli's research...A very strong work...


Posted By: Aury
Date Posted: 18-Apr-2012 at 04:38
Originally posted by Don Quixote

I found this quote, from "An Introduction to the Economic History of Ethiopia, from Early Times to 1800", by Richard Pankhurst, 1961, in Questia, pg. 70. It doesn't say antything new except that those events weren't recorded in Ethiopian chronicles.
"...

During the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries contact between Ethiopians and the Christians of Europe steadily increased. In 1321 a certain Brother Jordanus was told by Italian merchants in India that 'the way into Ethiopia was open' and toward the end of the century a Florentine, Antonio Bartoli, actually reached the country. Not long afterwards in 1407 a young Italian, Pietro Rombulo, visited Ethiopia and was subsequently sent by the Emperor on a mission to India and China. Many years later in 1450 he told his adventures to Pietro Ranzano, a Dominican monk in Naples who recorded much of what he heard in an unpublished Latin work entitled Annales, which is preserved in the Biblioteca Comunale at Palermo, Sicily. Rombulo was closely followed by an embassy, sent by the French Duc de Berry, consisting of a Neapolitan called Pietro, a Frenchman and a Spaniard. Bernard de la Brocquière, who met Pietro in 1432, records that he had married an Ethiopian in the land of Prester John. http://www.questia.com/reader/action/gotoDocId/9225923#182 - 182

Faced by the increasing pressure of Islam and determined to maintain the faith of their fathers, the Christian sovereigns of Ethiopia continued their efforts to maintain relations with the rest of Christendom. The Emperor Zara Yaqob ( Constantine I, 1434- 1468), insisted that Saturday, the ancient Biblical sabbath, should be observed as well as Sunday and authorized Nicodemus, the superior of the Ethiopian community at Jerusalem, to enter into negotiations with the Roman See. Two Ethiopian delegates from Jerusalem therefore attended the ecclesiastical Council of Florence. Though this conference ostensibly reached an agreement it was repudiated when the delegates returned to their mother churches. There is no mention of these events in the Ethiopian chronicles, though it is known that at about this time there was much theological disputation, apparently with a enetian artist, Nicolo Brancaleone, who settled in Ethiopia. http://www.questia.com/reader/action/gotoDocId/9225923#183 - 183 Ethiopian ecclesiastics continued, however, to visit Jerusalem, where a large Ethiopian community resided, and Rome, where they were granted an establishment during Zara Yaqob's reign. http://www.questia.com/reader/action/gotoDocId/9225923#184 - 184..."

http://www.questia.com/reader/action/gotoDocId/9225923#184 -

Right Don! I just have got these information but, it seems (from many books traces) that Pietro Rombulo dead in Naples. Pankhurst says that "...when the delegates returned to their mother churches". So, you gave me a news about the return of the delegate and refuting the Pietro death in Naples...Very important! Clap


Posted By: Aury
Date Posted: 18-Apr-2012 at 04:41
Don, i have not access to questia that it seems have a lot of Pankhrust articles...Can you continue to search? Smile


Posted By: Aury
Date Posted: 18-Apr-2012 at 04:53
Originally posted by Aury

Don, i have not access to questia that it seems have a lot of Pankhrust articles...Can you continue to search? Smile
on which documents Pankhrust declares that the two ambassadors returned to their mother churches?Confused


Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 18-Apr-2012 at 19:30
I thought Pietro Rombula died in Ethiopia as he was forbidden to leave

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Posted By: Don Quixote
Date Posted: 19-Apr-2012 at 02:56
Originally posted by Aury

Don, i have not access to questia that it seems have a lot of Pankhrust articles...Can you continue to search? Smile

I will. So far I found only one article by him but has nothing to do with Rombulo, not even with the period, it's about a painting on cloth

Ethiopian Painting of King Takla Haymanot's War with the Dervishes.

Are you interested in it?



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Posted By: Don Quixote
Date Posted: 19-Apr-2012 at 03:25
I found this research on a cross in Ethiopia that was given by Zara Jakob to a monastery; now, supposedly the cross is a European work, because in Ethiopia graven images were forbidden, and there are images of Jesus on it. Rombulo is mentioned somewhere in the text, because it came in my search, but I have no time to read the whole thing and to find in what connection it's mentioned; considering that the cross was given by Zara Jakob, it's possible it came with Rombulo from Italy. Here the link, I'm going to read it tomorrow, and I want to save it so I can read it tomorrow. http://www2.lingfil.uu.se/klassiska/personal/crossproceedings.pdf - http://www2.lingfil.uu.se/klassiska/personal/crossproceedings.pdf

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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 19-Apr-2012 at 19:04
I thought the Ethiopians were Orthodox Christians? In Greece and Russia churches are full of graven images which people worship

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Posted By: Don Quixote
Date Posted: 19-Apr-2012 at 19:29
Orthodoxy has many different streams, with different rules. In the Bulgarian Orthodox church icons are holy, the same in the Greek and Russian branch. The Ethiopian rite is different. There was a long fight in the Early Middle Ages, 7-8 century AD, in Byzantium, to have icons or not, /Leo III ordered all icons destroyed/ and those who were for the icons won the day, but this doesn't mean that in Ethiopia is the same. I haven't research the issue, but what I read from the PDF I linked said that images were forbidden in this time frame in Ethiopia.

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Posted By: Aury
Date Posted: 20-Apr-2012 at 13:19
Originally posted by Don Quixote

Originally posted by Aury

Don, i have not access to questia that it seems have a lot of Pankhrust articles...Can you continue to search? Smile

I will. So far I found only one article by him but has nothing to do with Rombulo, not even with the period, it's about a painting on cloth

Ethiopian Painting of King Takla Haymanot's War with the Dervishes.

Are you interested in it?



Yes!!!!!!Thanks Don!


Posted By: Aury
Date Posted: 20-Apr-2012 at 13:23
Originally posted by Don Quixote

I found this research on a cross in Ethiopia that was given by Zara Jakob to a monastery; now, supposedly the cross is a European work, because in Ethiopia graven images were forbidden, and there are images of Jesus on it. Rombulo is mentioned somewhere in the text, because it came in my search, but I have no time to read the whole thing and to find in what connection it's mentioned; considering that the cross was given by Zara Jakob, it's possible it came with Rombulo from Italy. Here the link, I'm going to read it tomorrow, and I want to save it so I can read it tomorrow. http://www2.lingfil.uu.se/klassiska/personal/crossproceedings.pdf - http://www2.lingfil.uu.se/klassiska/personal/crossproceedings.pdf


Don! Good consideration about the Cross! I supposed the same think reading other documents about the True Cross. ...may be the Cross came with Rombulo...but at the moment I'm not sure...
I go to read the article...Thanks a lot...Smile


Posted By: Aury
Date Posted: 20-Apr-2012 at 13:31
Originally posted by Don Quixote

Orthodoxy has many different streams, with different rules. In the Bulgarian Orthodox church icons are holy, the same in the Greek and Russian branch. The Ethiopian rite is different. There was a long fight in the Early Middle Ages, 7-8 century AD, in Byzantium, to have icons or not, /Leo III ordered all icons destroyed/ and those who were for the icons won the day, but this doesn't mean that in Ethiopia is the same. I haven't research the issue, but what I read from the PDF I linked said that images were forbidden in this time frame in Ethiopia.


At the time of Yeshaq, followed in the trone by Zara Yaqob and all his family...there was a lot of Christian Church in Etiopia. Founded by Benedectin friar came from Italy...After Council of Florence all Christian people conformed to the canons of the Christians  faithful, as request by Pope Eugenio IV and accepted by Zara Yaqob. 


Posted By: Aury
Date Posted: 20-Apr-2012 at 15:08
Originally posted by Nick1986

I thought Pietro Rombula died in Ethiopia as he was forbidden to leave

I would like to discover it! Smile


Posted By: Don Quixote
Date Posted: 20-Apr-2012 at 20:49
Originally posted by Aury


Are you interested in it?



Yes!!!!!!Thanks Don!

Here it is, the whole article /unfortunately it doesn't have a picture/:
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Ethiopian Painting of King Takla Haymanot's War with the Dervishes.


by Richard Pankhurst

Introduction

In the late 1960s or early 1970s, an American traveller, Joseph Knopfelmacher, acquired an immense and very remarkable Ethiopian painting on cloth that was later purchased by the Samuel P. Harn Museum of Art at the University of Florida in Gainesville. This painting, which is far larger than any known work of its kind, is made up of six pieces of cloth, four large and two small. Together they form a monumental work more than 25' (7.6m) wide and more than 4' (1.2m) high. (1)

This painting (Harn Museum No. 2003.3.3), which is apparently unique, resembles other works of its genre in that it is strictly two-dimensional in character and lacks any attempt at perspective. The size of each figure is thus a function not of his distance from the observer, but of his political, military, or other importance.

The painting is devoted to the grandeur and military prowess of King Takla Haymanot of Gojjam (1847-1901). It features a jihad of the period, which had recently erupted: the Dervish invasion from the Sudan, the Ethiopian monarch's heroic march to war, and the destruction by the enemy of part of the Ethiopian capital, Gondar.

Authorship and Date of Composition

Honoring as it does a ruler of Gojjam, the work may be assumed to have been painted by an artist from that province, which produced some of Ethiopia's leading artists. Indeed, the country's two principal painters specializing in battle scenes in this period both came from Gojjam (see Pankhurst 1989, especially Figures 129-320). One was Alaqa Eleyas of Mota (Pankhurst 2005), the other, Alaqa Heruy of Dima Giyorgis. Both men originated in eastern Gojjam and are renowned for their paintings of the Battle of Adwa of 1896. Either of them may have been responsible for the work--although the possibility that it was produced by another artist cannot be ruled out.

The painting can be dated only approximately. A terminus a quo is provided by the battle, which took place in 1888, but this genre of art was not produced until after the Adwa battle in 1896. A terminus ad quem is suggested by the fact that pennons like those depicted in the painting, which were used only for a short period of time, lost currency around 1897, after which time they tended to be stitched together to form a single flag (Chojnacki 1969:137). If we assume that the artist was drawing from contemporary life, rather than from memory of the past, that would suggest that the painting dates from the last years of the nineteenth century or the first decade of the twentieth.

The Painting and Its Historical Veracity

The greater part of the painting, the left and center of the canvas, is devoted to Takla Haymanot's march to war and focuses on the monarch's court and army. Personalities depicted include the king himself; his consort Queen Laqach, who was a princess from Lasta; his son Ras Bazabeh; and Abuna Luqas, the Coptic head of the Ethiopian Church in Gojjam. The rest of the painting, to the right of the canvas, depicts the fight with the invaders and Gondar in flames.

The work is thus represents the conflict with the Dervishes, which resulted in the disastrous Battle of Sarwaha, in Dambeya, on January 18, 1888. The painter takes artistic license, however, presenting fighting taking place within sight of the Ethiopian capital Gondar, where one of the city's famous castles is seen on fire.

This painting, like so many of its kind, presents Takla Haymanot's war against the Dervishes as a heroic event. As such, it scarcely indicates the extent of the defeat at Sarwaha or the immensity of a disaster in which forty out of forty-seven churches in the Gondar area are said to have been destroyed (Gabre-Sellassie 1975:239). The magnitude of the disaster was later expressed by the Gondar clergy, who, adapting Psalm 76, are quoted as having declared:

 
 O Lord, the Pagans have invaded 
thy preserve, thy sacred shrine they
have profaned, Gondar have they
laid in ruins; they have flung the
corpses of thy servants to wild birds
as their food, the flesh of thy followers
to wild beasts; all round Gondar
their blood has been poured out like
water, and there was none to give
them burial (ibid., p. 240).
  The immensity of the defeat is likewise admitted in the Chronicle of Gojjam (see Getahun 1991:236-49). It tells of the Dervishes not only burning down innumerable churches, but also capturing "droves" of prisoners. From among the Christian women, the Muslim leader is said to have "chosen the good-looking ones, and made them his concubines. He slashed the cheeks of the rest ... and sold them off [as slaves]" (ibid., 247-8). Those captured included the king's daughter, Mentewab, who refused to eat Muslim food and in consequence died of starvation. Though glossing over this debacle, the Harn Museum painting is historically--and ethnologically--interesting, for it provides rare and revealing glimpses of traditional Ethiopia. The March to War, Battle and Personalities Depicted

The central figure in the painting is, as we have seen, that of King Takla Haymanot. He is wearing a characteristic two-tiered Ethiopian royal crown, adorned with three small crosses. A winged angel, upper left, indicates that the monarch enjoys heavenly support. The king wears a large blue cloak almost entirely covered by a rich red lamd, or military cloak, profusely decorated with gold embroidery. In his right hand he holds a straight sword, like those carried by the Sudanese--and which may in fact have been captured then or earlier from them. It presumably has been drawn from the straight, red-and-blue scabbard to his right. In his left hand he holds his horse's reins which are clearly depicted. He is bare-footed, like all Ethiopians of that time (as we know from the reports of contemporary travellers), but wears decorated leggings. The big toe of his right foot fits, in the traditional Ethiopian manner, into a one-toe stirrup. His pale brown horse is finely caparisoned and, like the others in the picture, has an unusually prominent tail. The animal has a blue saddle-cloth and several gold plaques round its neck. Above the horse there is an inscription written in the Ethiopian classical language Ge'ez. With little relationship to history, it reads: "Peace be unto you, O honorable King. You are happy with the power of God. You are the conqueror of the enemy ..."

Takla Haymanot is preceded by one of his principal chiefs. The latter, who is approaching the field of battle, is captioned with his military rank--Dajazmach--but without any name. He too is wearing a gold-embroidered lamd, but of a somewhat darker hue. In his right hand he holds a spear as if ready to hurl it, and in his left a characteristic Ethiopian shield covered in red silk decorated in gold. A slightly curved sword, more typical of Ethiopia than that carried by his liege, is in its scabbard, to the right, and an upright rifle can also be seen top left. His well-caparisoned steed, which has a red, almost orange, saddle-cloth, is slightly darker than that of the king, but has an almost identical toe-stirrup.

A more important figure, captioned "Ras Bazabeh," is Takla Haymanot's son, who is riding immediately behind his father. Wearing a blue cloak embroidered with gold, he holds a rifle in his right hand and a gold-embroidered red shield in his left. He also has a red-and-blue, curved, Ethiopian-style scabbard behind him to the right, which presumably holds a sword. He is riding a white caparisoned charger, with a fine sloping tail, and has one-toe stirrups like those of the other riders depicted.

Beneath the feet of these three figures, we are introduced to the enemy, dead or dying. Seen in profile--the traditional Ethiopian manner of depicting evil persons or enemies of the Christian faith--they are wearing red caps like the rest of the Dervish army. Two of them hold--or were holding--rifles. Two others, apparently still alive, seem to be grasping swords which are, like those of the other Dervishes, straight. One wounded man holds a curious triangular umbrella, smaller and quite different from those of the Ethiopians. Sprawling on the ground, the enemy are being trampled by the horses of the supposedly victorious Gojjamies. An emphatic caption in Ge'ez reads: "As the heathen were exterminated."

Ras Bazabeh is followed by the largest assemblage of soldiers in the whole painting. Their multitude is indicated in the usual manner of Ethiopian painting: row after row of overlapping heads. A few men on the left wear red caps, but the rest are bare-headed. Most are dressed in simple, scarcely adorned red or blue tunics. These are worn over semi-transparent white shammas, or wraps, which reveal the shape of their legs and extend almost as far as their feet. All the men are, as usual, entirely bare-footed. Most are armed with rifles, mainly carried on their shoulders, but at least one has a curved sword, as evident from its scabbard. Several soldiers, right-back, are blowing malakat, or long trumpets, while another, front-left, is beating a sizable nagarit, or drum, carried on horseback. Both instruments are traditionally associated with Ethiopian royalty. Three warriors, left and left-rear, hold staffs, to each of which is attached three pennons, similar to those used in Ethiopia for a short time near the end of the century, but lost currency, as we have seen, by century's end. They are depicted in red, white, and blue, but without any particular order. Painted for artistic effect, their arrangement should not be interpreted as constituting a specific national or even regional flag.

Immediately behind this large group of soldiers rides Abuna Luqas, the chief ecclesiastic of Gojjam. A highly honored figure, he was one of four Egyptian Coptic prelates sent from Alexandria in 1881 through the initiative of Emperor Yohannes IV (c. 1831-1889). Luqas, who is the only bearded figure in the entire picture, wears a flowing blue cloak and, in a style then not uncommon among prelates, a shamma round and above his head. He rides a light brown caparisoned horse with a red and particularly long ornate saddle-cloth that covers almost his entire steed. He is flanked in front by a guard holding a rifle, while an attendant behind him holds a decorated blue umbrella above his head, and a paternissa, or pastoral staff. This elaborately fashioned object, now largely forgotten in Ethiopia, represents a two-headed snake winding itself around a rod. This recalls Numbers 21:9, where Moses "made a serpent of brass and put it upon a pole."

Behind the prelate rides Takla Haymanot's consort, Queen Laqach. She is captioned as "Negest Wayzaro Laqach," i.e. Negast, the regal title of queen, followed by that of Wayzaro, a title then generally applied to princesses and woman of high status. The use of both terms is interesting in that it indicates the importance then attached to the word wayzaro, which is today merely the equivalent of "Mrs." Laqach has beautifully braided hair, with a decorative hair-pin, and wears a wide, red-bordered shamma which, in a fashion common to many Ethiopian women, discretely muffles her face and neck. She has a blue cloak, like that of the Abun, with a wide gold border. She rides bare-foot on a dark brown caparisoned horse which has a highly decorated red saddle not dissimilar from that of the Abun. Like that cleric, she has an honorific umbrella, in her case red, held over her and is flanked by a guard holding a rifle.

Immediately behind the queen and near the left edge of the painting rides a second noblewoman. She is almost certainly a princess, as indicated by her ornate blue and gold cloak, which resembles that of the queen, and honorific blue umbrella, virtually identical to that above the Abun. A caption beside her is, however, indecipherable. She has braided hair, like the queen, but her face is unmuffled. We therefore see her entire face and most of her neck, which is decorated with a necklace. She rides on a white caparisoned horse and, like the Abun and the queen, is flanked a little in front by a guard holding a rifle. Behind him, to the left and at the very edge of the picture, is another group of followers, once again indicated by overlapping heads, and above them a further umbrella.

The far right of the picture, devoted to Takla Haymanot's conflict with the Dervishes--the culmination of the drama depicted in the painting--constitutes a classical Ethiopian battle scene. As in other such representations, notably those of the Battle of Adwa, the two armies are seen facing each other, man against man and rifle against rifle. The Ethiopians, as is traditional in this genre, are placed on the left and, like good people and followers of the faith in the country's classical religious paintings, shown in full face. By contrast, the Dervishes are painted in profile, with one eye, like evil people or enemies of the faith, who are without exception painted in profile in traditional Ethiopian painting.

The Ethiopian force, commanded from the rear by a chief captioned as "Dajazmach Kidana Maryam," is considerable. The massed army is once again indicated, top and center-right, by row after row of overlapping heads. These men consist almost entirely of riflemen. They are for the most part kneeling. Bare-headed and bare-footed, they wear a variety of red or blue cloaks with white trousers. One man nearest the enemy holds a shield, while the most visible soldiers--mostly those in the front--are seen taking aim. The convention of depicting Ethiopian Christians only in full face, with two eyes, leads to some awkwardness in the artist's execution.

Above the Ethiopian force is one of the most curious features of the painting: a framed rectangular device containing a representation of two cannons on wheels. Weapons of this kind were then apparently in limited use. An adjacent caption in Ge'ez reads, "As the soldiers of the king fought in the city of Rome," an allusion which it has not been possible to identify. On the right of the battlefield we see the enemy--the Dervishes. They are also armed mainly with rifles. Above them are two sets of three pennons, blue, red, and white, and white, red, and blue. These are virtually identical to those of the Ethiopians, and would not appear to be drawn from reality.

The Dervishes differ from the Ethiopians in that they are standing rather than kneeling. Their dress is also quite different, for they all wear red caps and their red or blue belted tunics are short. The greater part of their legs is thus in most cases visible, revealing that they are dressed in long white, red, or blue trousers. The leading Dervish, brandishing a spear, is distinctive in that he is wearing yellow slippers, the only shod figure in the entire painting. Two of his comrades, dressed in blue, carry red leather scabbards, which are entirely straight, and thus different from the curved swords of the Ethiopians.

In the middle of the battlefield, between the two armies--as in other Ethiopian paintings of battles--stands one lone Ethiopian hero, whose presence adds an element of drama to the scene. Dressed in a lamd and long, tightly fitting trousers, he brandishes a characteristically curved sword in his right hand and in his left an Ethiopian-style shield, with which he bravely staves off the spear wielded by the leading Dervish. Beneath the hero lie the dead: four Ethiopians--presumably symbolic of many more--depicted full-face, to the left, and about as many Dervishes, in profile, to the right.

The tragic outcome of the Dervish incursion is depicted on the far right of the painting. There, behind the enemy, we see a battlemented building, clearly intended to represent one of the Gondar castles, on fire. Red flames belch forth from its roof and both its upper and lower windows. A caption below the building, possibly alluding to 2 Chronicles 28 ("he ... burnt his children in the fire"), reads, "As he was burnt with his children."

Behind the burning castle, almost at the right-hand edge of the painting, below an illegible caption, we see a further force of many Dervishes, armed with rifles, watching the conflagration. One, front right, rides a camel, which was symbolic as the principal means of transportation in the Sudanese lowlands from which the Dervishes came. Such animals could well have been taken to the battlefield. Behind it are depicted two cannons, both on wheels, with yet another undecipherable caption.

The painting, though intended to glorify Takla Haymanot rather than to provide an "authentic" picture of the conflict, thus illustrates many typical aspects of Ethiopian life of the period--dress, horse decorations, weaponry--and presents a valuable artistic commentary on its time.

I am greatly indebted to Dr. Rebecca Nagy, Director of the Harn Museum, for drawing my attention to the Ethiopian painting in question, and to Harn Museum registrar Mary Margaret Carr, registration assistant Jill Brougher, and graduate research intern Jaime Baird, for providing me with photographs and measurements of it. Thanks are also due to Professor Amsalu Aklilu, of Addis Ababa University, for translating the Ge'ez passages, a few of which are unfortunately almost indecipherable.

[This article was accepted for publication in July 2005.]

References cited

Chojnacki, S. 1969, "A Second Note on the Ethiopian National Flag." In Proceedings of the Third International Conference of Ethiopian Studies. Addis Ababa: Institute of Ethiopian Studies.

Gabre-Sellassie, Zewde. 1975. Yohannes IV of Ethiopia: A Political Biography. Oxford, Clarendon Press.

Getahun, Girma Y. 1991. The Goggam Chronicle. D. Phil. thesis, Mansfield College, Oxford.

Pankhurst, Richard. 1989. "The Battle of Adwa (1896) as Depicted by Traditional Ethiopian Artists." In Proceedings of the First International Conference on the History of Ethiopian Art, pp. 78-103. London: The Pindar Press.

--. 2005. "Menilek's Court Artist; Alaqa Eleyas." In Ethiopian Art and Architecture, ed. Rita Pankhurst, pp. 237-42. Lawrenceville, NJ: Red Sea Press.

Notes

(1.) The overall dimensions of the painting are approximately 4' 2 1/2" (1.3m) in height by 25' (7.6m) in width. The work is painted on six pieces of plain white cloth, four along the bottom and two along the top. The lower ones, from left to right, measure respectively 118" by 23" (300cm x 58.4cm), 38" by 22 1/2" (96.5cm x 57cm), 149" by 26" (378.5cm x 26cm), and 7 1/2" by 25 3/4" (19cm x 65.4cm). The two upper pieces measure 138" by 23" (350.5cm x 58.4cm) and 163" by between 22 1/2" and 27" (414cm x 57-68.6cm). Accurate measurement is difficult, for the various pieces of cloth have irregular edges and overlap each other to varying degrees. The total width of the canvas is approximately 312 1/2", or 26' 1/2" (7.9m), at the bottom, and 301", or 25' 1" (7.7m), at the top...."



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Posted By: Aury
Date Posted: 21-Apr-2012 at 05:33
Ok Don, we will more lucky in the future...The paintings I found at the moment describe religious scenes. Nothing about Royal Court.


Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 23-Apr-2012 at 19:25
Excellent article DonClap

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Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains!


Posted By: Aury
Date Posted: 29-Apr-2012 at 04:07
Hi guys, any news about Rombulo?


Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 29-Apr-2012 at 06:41
Wait for Don,Aury!Till tomorrow.Regards.Smile


Posted By: Aury
Date Posted: 29-Apr-2012 at 08:41
Originally posted by medenaywe

Wait for Don,Aury!Till tomorrow.Regards.Smile


Ohhh thank you! I think is on vacation? Wink


Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 29-Apr-2012 at 20:00
Pietro may have been unable to leave because he found out about the Ark of the Covenant. No doubt the Ethiopians didn't want their precious relic stolen

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Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains!


Posted By: Aury
Date Posted: 30-Apr-2012 at 06:16
Originally posted by Nick1986

Pietro may have been unable to leave because he found out about the Ark of the Covenant. No doubt the Ethiopians didn't want their precious relic stolen


Nick, Can you explain better what you say?


Posted By: Don Quixote
Date Posted: 30-Apr-2012 at 09:57
I found a short reference on Rombulo in this book  http://books.google.com/books?id=z72iVa3TSscC&pg=PA455&lpg=PA455&dq=pietro+rombulo+india&source=bl&ots=2msBbVuYld&sig=UyWPacUhk_VpHKEGE-9myp999A8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=wJmeT9akL4rfiAK5n92KAQ&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=pietro%20rombulo%20india&f=false - http://books.google.com/books?id=z72iVa3TSscC&pg=PA455&lpg=PA455&dq=pietro+rombulo+india&source=bl&ots=2msBbVuYld&sig=UyWPacUhk_VpHKEGE-9myp999A8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=wJmeT9akL4rfiAK5n92KAQ&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=pietro%20rombulo%20india&f=false

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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 01-May-2012 at 19:00
Originally posted by Aury

Originally posted by Nick1986

Pietro may have been unable to leave because he found out about the Ark of the Covenant. No doubt the Ethiopians didn't want their precious relic stolen


Nick, Can you explain better what you say?

The kings of Ethiopia claim descent from David and the Queen of Sheba. Their son apparently stole the real Ark of the Covenant and hid it somewhere in his kingdrom


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Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains!


Posted By: Aury
Date Posted: 03-May-2012 at 03:40
Originally posted by Don Quixote

I found a short reference on Rombulo in this book  http://books.google.com/books?id=z72iVa3TSscC&pg=PA455&lpg=PA455&dq=pietro+rombulo+india&source=bl&ots=2msBbVuYld&sig=UyWPacUhk_VpHKEGE-9myp999A8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=wJmeT9akL4rfiAK5n92KAQ&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=pietro%20rombulo%20india&f=false - http://books.google.com/books?id=z72iVa3TSscC&pg=PA455&lpg=PA455&dq=pietro+rombulo+india&source=bl&ots=2msBbVuYld&sig=UyWPacUhk_VpHKEGE-9myp999A8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=wJmeT9akL4rfiAK5n92KAQ&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=pietro%20rombulo%20india&f=false

Thanks Don, another new info:
"Etiopian envoys reached Venice in 1402..."

I've not info about 1402...Can we tray to discovery somethink about 1402?


Posted By: Aury
Date Posted: 03-May-2012 at 03:47
Originally posted by Nick1986

Originally posted by Aury

Originally posted by Nick1986

Pietro may have been unable to leave because he found out about the Ark of the Covenant. No doubt the Ethiopians didn't want their precious relic stolen


Nick, Can you explain better what you say?

The kings of Ethiopia claim descent from David and the Queen of Sheba. Their son apparently stole the real Ark of the Covenant and hid it somewhere in his kingdrom


From the info I found till now, Rombulo have never talk about the Ark. May be the case are two:

1: The question of Arks was false, so he can't talk about that
2: The question of Ark was top secret to avoid it could be stolen

It's a mistery...



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