My trip to a Hellenistic city in Iran
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Topic: My trip to a Hellenistic city in Iran
Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Subject: My trip to a Hellenistic city in Iran
Date Posted: 24-Jan-2012 at 16:27
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Posted By: TheAlaniDragonRising
Date Posted: 24-Jan-2012 at 16:31
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That looks as if it's in really good condition, Cyrus, where about is it? Btw is that you on the photo?
------------- What a handsome figure of a dragon. No wonder I fall madly in love with the Alani Dragon now, the avatar, it's a gorgeous dragon picture. |
Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2012 at 01:15
| What is name of this city&time dating,Cyrus?Did they find inscriptions&scripts there? |
Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2012 at 06:13
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That is in almost the center of Iran near the city of Mahallat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahallat - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahallat It is called "Khorheh" because of a village with this name near the ruin.
The city probably dates back to the Seleucid or early Parthian era in third century BC, and yes, that is me. -------------
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Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2012 at 06:21
We call part of town mahala! ("H" has just small stress voice in it,almost voiceless!)Village name consistsa lot of words.Are you using,one sound one letter rule in Iran?Nice post.It is essential for me to know cause of phonetic inside words. |
Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2012 at 08:48
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Yes, Mahalla means the same in Persian, and I think also in Turkish, in fact "Mahalla" is very Arabic word which means quarter (a part of a city with a specific character), Mahallat is the plural form of Mahalla. -------------
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Posted By: Fula
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2012 at 09:02
Great Pics
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Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2012 at 09:04
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Quarters name,gives us maybe way how this town had been built that time!Rules for plural are not the same here,your plural could be singular&plural also could change last letter&sound.I asked you about pronunciation of letters in your language:Is it one letter one sound rule?Does your language use cases,all of them same as Latin? |
Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2012 at 09:45
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In Persian some different letters have all one sound because we use Arabic script but pronounce the words in Persian, for example Arabic letters: ض - ظ - ز - ذ have just the sound of "z" in Persian but in Arabic they have four different sounds. -------------
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Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2012 at 10:29
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Do You have cases in Your language? http://www.slu.edu/colleges/AS/languages/classical/latin/tchmat/grammar/g-caseid.html - http://www.slu.edu/colleges/AS/languages/classical/latin/tchmat/grammar/g-caseid.html |
Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2012 at 11:20
No in Modern Persian, but Old Persian grammar had eight cases, as I mentioned in another thread the Persian name of Darius was not Darayush, as it is used today, but Daraya, Darayush is the nominative case form, and we see Darayum is the accusative case form, like in the sentence "Ahuramazda made Darius king". -------------
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Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2012 at 11:22
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Please post me link here!Serbo-Croatian has 9 cases but 3 of 9 are genitives!That means 8! |
Posted By: Arab
Date Posted: 28-Jan-2012 at 10:08
| Cyrus, do you know of any village in Fars province of Iran by the name of "Karmostaj" كرمستج My father's family is from there, it would be cool to find out more about my ancestral village |
Posted By: Baal Melqart
Date Posted: 28-Jan-2012 at 11:35
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As usual Qorosh, amazing and beautiful pictures that unearth the hidden past of Persia. It seems that there is a lot travelling one can do in iran, if one is knowledgeable about history! ------------- Timidi mater non flet |
Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 28-Jan-2012 at 11:41
I didn't know this village, it seems it was a big town in the old times but a large number of people migrated to the Arab states of the Persian Gulf and there are just 600 familes in this village: http://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%DA%A9%D8%B1%D9%85%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%AC - http://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%DA%A9%D8%B1%D9%85%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%AC -------------
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Posted By: Arab
Date Posted: 28-Jan-2012 at 12:26
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Interesting, there is an Arabic wiki article about it. But I am unable to find any information about this village in north Iran called "Fakhrabad" فخر اباد My maternal grandmother's family is from there but I know virtually nothing about it. |
Posted By: Ollios
Date Posted: 28-Jan-2012 at 14:39
Nice place and correct opinion for Turkish. Turkish version is "mahalle" and it is official for address. If you want to send me a post card, you have write my mahalle on it  ------------- Ellerin Kabe'si var, Benim Kabem İnsandır |
Posted By: Baal Melqart
Date Posted: 28-Jan-2012 at 15:08
In Morocco it means something totally different, it reffers to a 'shop'. In traditional Arabic though, the word originally has other meanings such as: 'position' (in refference to something else) or 'place'. Example: لقد لبث في محله He remained in his place لا محل له من الاعراب It has no position/place in grammar (fig. it is grammatically incorrect) ------------- Timidi mater non flet |
Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 28-Jan-2012 at 15:12
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Once it was this:(check Origins of language Baal!) MaHaLLe=From support destination sparks image! |
Posted By: Arab
Date Posted: 28-Jan-2012 at 15:35
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It means 'place' but we also use it for 'shop' here too and in most Arabic countries it has the same meaning I think |
Posted By: Baal Melqart
Date Posted: 28-Jan-2012 at 15:52
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Yes, I lived in Dubai for about 5 years and most Arabs also use both meanings, though shop seems to be the most common one.
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Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 28-Jan-2012 at 15:58
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"from support destination" is universal Arab!That was first language.That's what i am talking about here!We were there before Alexander.Cause our&Your&Hebrew&Lot of Persian &Turkish languages share the same syllables.Those was people's language Of Egypt from middle text in Rosetta Stone.That's what I am talking about!This was language of actors of Troy also.Cause they called themselves NaDeNaJVeMo and to me it sounds closest to "Danayans" which it means literary!(It sounds similar with My name with Na/DeNaYwe/Mo in front of it).In fact my avatar is singular but not for long!(I know only those above and Latin also,not other languages?Very possible lot of them also!) |
Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 29-Jan-2012 at 02:16
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Mahal means position/place in Persian too, you certainly know Taj Mahal. -------------
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Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 29-Jan-2012 at 02:22
| I know but have never thought about it since recently.Therefore i am here on forum.Like I said i need your words people.TaJ MaHal=?J sounds like "Dj"? |
Posted By: Baal Melqart
Date Posted: 29-Jan-2012 at 09:44
No Meden, it is a middle 'J' as in the French mustard 'Dijon'. Originally in Arabic that was the accepted pronounciation of the letter 'jim' but since many dialects still prevailed, some later pronounced it as 'dj' or even 'g' for example in Egypt. We shouldn't forget that the Mughals adopted many Arabic words into Urdu and Taj indeed means 'crown' in Arabic. As far as I know, it's Taj Mahal, not Tadj Mahal. ------------- Timidi mater non flet |
Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 29-Jan-2012 at 10:59
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"TaY"=TaJ=From Beauty origin,supports destination's image!As I know a lot of beauty and love connects this monument with it's name."Dj" looks also illogical cause animal could have not been included inside this wonderful reminder of love. TaG=From beauty Head,could also be a solution.Thanks Baal. |
Posted By: Baal Melqart
Date Posted: 29-Jan-2012 at 13:13
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In what language, I'm not understanding?
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Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 29-Jan-2012 at 13:32
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Ancient Egyptian or people's language in Egypt.This is language from middle text of Rosetta Stone.
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Posted By: Baal Melqart
Date Posted: 29-Jan-2012 at 14:21
Are you saying you speak ancient Egyptian? If that's the case, WOW, simply WOW! ------------- Timidi mater non flet |
Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 29-Jan-2012 at 14:35
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Ancient Egyptian was an Afroasiatic language, so there could be some similar words to Arabic in this language. -------------
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Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 29-Jan-2012 at 14:54
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It's the biggest lie has been ever told in history!Go to Origins of languages!We will talk there.
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Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 29-Jan-2012 at 15:40
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The fact is that ancient Egyptians were not superhuman, they spoke a language which has been classified under a group, like other languages. -------------
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