Piperi
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Topic: Piperi
Posted By: Linguist
Subject: Piperi
Date Posted: 01-Nov-2011 at 19:19
| I am looking for some help with the word Piperi. Is it commonly used as the word for pepper? I see it is also an island. Is there anything offensive about the name? When pronounced, which syllable is emphasized. Thank you |
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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 01-Nov-2011 at 20:40
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Looks like a job for our resident Greek-speakers Eaglecap, Erkut and Vagos ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: Ollios
Date Posted: 01-Nov-2011 at 21:31
it should be. (just guess)  Piperi ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_language - Greek : Πιπέρι meaning http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_pepper - pepper ) is a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greece - Greek http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island - island in the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sporades - Sporades . (viki) when you chech " Πιπέρι" in google pictures, you will see it; first pictures are blackpepper also the word of pepper in Turkish comes from Greek (Turkish Language Association's dictionary); Biber ------------- Ellerin Kabe'si var, Benim Kabem İnsandır |
Posted By: Don Quixote
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2012 at 03:42
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"Piper" is "peppers" in Bulgarian too. So one calls the red and green peppers "piper" or "chushka", and paprika 'red piper", black pepper is "black piper". I think "piper" is more used in North-East Bulgaria, in an area where lots of lots of Turks live, I think it's Turkish word; the word "chuchka" is used more in Western Bulgaria. ------------- |
Posted By: Arab
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2012 at 08:19
| The ultimate etymology of the word is from Sanskrit "pippali". The Arabic "filfil" is probably derived from it too via Aramaic or Hebrew "pelpalta" or "pelpal" respectively. |
Posted By: Ollios
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2012 at 13:35
As I told before, Turkish version of piper (biber) is greek origin word (according to highest Turkish language authority, Turkish Language Association-TDK)
maybe arab is right. It can be older word like from Sanskrit ------------- Ellerin Kabe'si var, Benim Kabem İnsandır |
Posted By: Don Quixote
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2012 at 13:44
As I told before, Turkish version of piper (biber) is greek origin word (according to highest Turkish language authority, Turkish Language Association-TDK) [/QUOTE] I have no problem with that, I found that in Ancient Greek the word is "piperi". However, the use of the word "piper" for green and red long peppers came to Bulgaria via the turks, and is used more in areas where more Turks live, while in other regions where there are no of less Turks, the Bulgaian word "chushka" is used, not "piper". ------------- |
Posted By: Arab
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2012 at 16:01
Pepper reached Europe as a result of Alexander's conquests. Theophrastus confirmed this in the beginning of 3rd century BC. He made a distinction between long and round pepper. So Greek "piperi" is derived via Persian from Middle Indic, and ultimately from Sanskrit. Turkish "biber" is derived from Greek. Hebrew and Arabic words for pepper are probably borrowed from Aramaic "pelpalta", as this was the first appearance of the word in a Semitic language. Kurdish "bibari" could be from Greek as well. |
Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2012 at 01:03
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It was not.Do you know something about this,from agriculture point?It needs a lot of water to grows up hard as a rock.Than here we are,word describes my words above:PiPeRi=From drink Rock connects!Full description fill be posted inside Origins of language. 
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Posted By: Ollios
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2012 at 09:50
I checked and learn something from you. I found your chushka in Turkish as "şuşka" or "çuşka" example TDK says çuşka: bulgarian origin word for red chill pepper. however according to some sources, Turks call it "Albanian Pepper" Does chushka have a speacial shape? like    or is it general name for all peppers in North and West Bulgaria ------------- Ellerin Kabe'si var, Benim Kabem İnsandır |
Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 10-Feb-2012 at 07:25
| PiPeRi=Drunk Rock(PiPeRi,It) connects! |
Posted By: Don Quixote
Date Posted: 14-Feb-2012 at 19:36
In North-east Bulgaria - the Deliormana /Crazy Forest/ "piper" is called the big peppers that are stuffed with meat and rice:  and the small hot peppers like on your picture are called "liuta piperka" /small hot peppers. In West Bulgaria, North and south, AFAIK, the big red ones from my pictire are called "cushka", and the small hot ones are called "liuta chuska" /hot pepper/. However, the bell pepper, red and green /there are no yellow and white ones from this kind in Bulgaria, at least when I was there/ in West Bulgara are called "kapia" /the same word is used to tell to someone that he/she is funny/; and North-East Bulgaria are called "dolma-piper":  The smaller green ones, like this one  /they are usually cooked filled with cheese and eggs/ are called in North-East Bulgaria "piperki" /smaller pepper/, and in West Bulgaria "zeleni chuski" /green pepper/. Also there is this one, which is small and round, /this is the closest picture I can find/, maybe 2.5 inches, and it's used only for pickling, /full with carrots and celery steeped in oil and honey/, is called "kamba"  Finally, there is this one,  the green one, that is called "chorbadjiiska cushka' /rich-man's pepper/, and it's mostly used for pickling with water and vinegar. There are quite a few Turkish words in Bulgarian, mostly connected with food, like "bamia/okra", "patladjan/eggplant", "giozum/mint", and with kitchen stuff, like "tava"/big flat pan for baking/, "tendjera" /deep pan/, and others I cannot think of now. Also, words like "babait"/big man/, "kahur"/sad thought/, "sevda" /unrequited love/ are used in everyday Bulgarian lingo, some of them with nefative meaning, like "surat"/face, but used as "ugly face, animal face/. And this is more than normal, Bulgaria was for 500 years a part of the Ottoman Empire, and there is a a big Turkish minority in it now, so people learned how to live together, and exchanged words in the same way they exchanged recipes etc. http://www.shutterstock.com/similar-43801234/stock-photo-the-bulgarian-pepper.html - -
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Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 15-Feb-2012 at 10:24
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Great pics of peppers. Just a side note, did you know that every one of those "Peppers" has origins that trace back to South America?
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Posted By: Don Quixote
Date Posted: 15-Feb-2012 at 19:52
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Yup! I have very hard time explaining this to my mother, she doesn't believe it. She says that peppers are "native Bulgarian"...OTOH she doesn't believe me that there is yogurt in US either, because "only in Bulgaria there the athmospheric pressure is just right to make yogurt"  .What do we do for our moms, you know...like enduring discussions like that ....  .------------- |
Posted By: Ollios
Date Posted: 17-Feb-2012 at 00:55
Thanks for information, I will try to use sometimes this word as a half Bulgarian Turk ------------- Ellerin Kabe'si var, Benim Kabem İnsandır |
Posted By: Don Quixote
Date Posted: 17-Feb-2012 at 01:07
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So, you're my brother from another mother!?!
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Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 08-Sep-2012 at 07:34
Piperi=PiPeRi=Ripe rock resurrects! Did they pay with piper? Work of crop mill can start now!Enjoy. |
Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 08-Sep-2012 at 15:41
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Or maybe ripe of harvest starts with this culture!?!My Father could have known this if he was alive.Agriculture was his academic degree and full pension life work.Have to check it! This is Ripe rock of Water Mill:  |
Posted By: tzar
Date Posted: 08-Oct-2012 at 13:32
So, you are Bulgarian. I didn't expect that honestly! ------------- Everybody listen only this which understands. |
Posted By: TITAN_
Date Posted: 30-Oct-2012 at 11:22
| This thread is like a chat room |
Posted By: Don Quixote
Date Posted: 31-Oct-2012 at 14:56
Yup, I am . Fun, ah? ------------- |
Posted By: Don Quixote
Date Posted: 31-Oct-2012 at 15:04
Always happens like that when food is involved ------------- |